This is a discussion on Do you carry at Church? within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Our wise and learned Mississippi Legislature decided that, as in schools and bars, criminals should get a break in church so no legal carry there. ...
Our wise and learned Mississippi Legislature decided that, as in schools and bars, criminals should get a break in church so no legal carry there. That said, I am sure there are some CC permit holders who do carry in church as well as some members who don't have a permit. Concealed is concealed and that's all I have to say on this subject.
Laws that forbid the carrying of arms ... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes ... they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. Thomas Jefferson
For many years I did not carry at church. Then in the mid 90's crime was becoming a problem in our suburban communities so, I started carrying a North American 22.
Florida does not require is to inform the pastor, so I never did. Today, crime rates are even higher and I've retired the little NAA 22 but I still do not want to take the chance of someone noticing so I pocket carry a P3AT 380.
"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I carry at church and my pastor knows it. He had a problem with a guy telling people he was going to kill him.So there is a "security team" I help out sometimes with the sound board and didnt want to be made at some point and people freak out so I Had a meeting with him and I started to explain why I carry to him and that I wouldnt come to his church if it made him uncomfortable.He didnt let me finish he pulled out his wallet and showed me his ccdw.I told him if he needed to let his head of security know I was ok with that so if anyone saw my gun and told him it wouldnt be a problem.He said he doesnt know I carry and he doesnt need to know you carry.I have noticed him looking for it on me sometimes but he never sees it and i never give up where it is to him.He has never said another word about it.
I live in Michigan. Michigan requires that you get permission from the Pastor of your church. I am a board member (Elder). Another board member and I were discussing the prudence of having someone armed just in case the unthinkable should happen. When we mentioned it to our Pastor he started to tell us that all we needed was a letter from him to protect us. Obviously he had been thinking about it. At least one of three people is carrying at all services. We now have a pastor to care for the sheep and someone to kill the wolf if it comes to our door! My current CCW is a Glock 30 (.45 ACP).
I also carry at church. As far as I know no one has noticed yet.
I always carry in Church and have not cleared it with our pastor. He is very conservatitive and I'm sure he would not care but I also don't want to put him on the spot. In Oklahoma permission is not required so only my wife, daughter & son know.
Life member NRA since 1983
I carry a Colt Delta Elite 10mm in Milt Sparks VM2 with 2 extra magazines on my belt. This is normally worn on a belt under my bib overalls and works great for me. My wife carries a Walther PPS .40 w/Crossbreed holster.
I carry EVERYWHERE. Period. My pastor knows, and so does his son, the associate pastor (who also carries). Carrying in a church in AZ is not prohibited by law. I carry anywhere I am legally allowed to be. If I am in violation of a store policy, then tuff noogies, the worst they can do is ask me to leave, which I will.
I have been asked to sit by the door nearest the sunday school when for a period of time, our church had some threats directed against it for some comments our pastor made about the lie of islam being a religion of peace.
I am not going to argue for or against his opinion or statements in this forum...suffice it to say that I was more than willing to guard the cubs, especially since my daughter was one of them.
I've spent some time reading this thread and the comments within. Consequently, I sent the following email to my Pastor. Having no knowledge of where he stands, I'm waiting for either his reply by email, or for him to collar me at church on Sunday!!! I will readily admit to plagiarizing some of your comments. Hope that was okay.
............Jim, these issues has been on my mind for some time, therefore I'm opening the discussion via email on the subject of "protection of the innocent and more" in our church services. I have several topics, in this arena to discuss.
Blessed be the Lord my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight.
Topic Number One
Jim, I am a Concealed Weapon Permit holder in the state of South Carolina. Carry of a concealed weapon in church in the State of South Carolina is expressly prohibited by law. Pastor, in accordance with the law however, I may ask and receive permission from you to keep my concealed weapon on when I come to church. I am formally asking/requesting this permission.
Topic Number Two
Jim, I have absolutely no idea as to your views on the 2nd Amendment, personally owned weapons, defense of your home, property, and family, etc. With that being said and all that is going on in the world, have you considered pursuing your own permit to carry? I worry for your safety, your family's safety, and the safety of our church members.
Topic Number Three
Jim, I'm sure, within our membership, there are several Law Enforcement Officers, military (both active and retired), and concerned individuals like myself, who have probably asked themselves what would happen and what would or could they do in the event of an emergency due to the actions of an individual or individuals, detrimental to our membership and those attending services. I ask that you go to this link On Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdogs - Dave Grossman
and read about Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdogs. With that in mind, has there been any discussion of either formally or informally forming a security team(s) for our church. I am aware there could be insurance liability issues with a formal security team officially representing the church. However, informally, I believe the scriptures indicate individual Christians may own weapons for the defense of their home and family's and those incapable of defending themselves, but must obey the law and avoid vices like machismo and recklessness. Alternatively, a Christian is definitely free not to own a weapon. I believe the New testament offers a choice and therefore a freedom. I feel these issues need to be presented to you for consideration and possible discussion in a forum with the leaders of the church.
Thanks for your time. I look forward to a reply at your convenience.
I'll keep you all posted on the outcome...
Sometimes in life you have to stand your ground. It's a hard lesson to learn and even most adults don't get it, but in the end only I can be responsible for my life. If faced with any type of adversity, only I can overcome it. Waiting for someone else to take responsibility is a long fruitless wait.
Please do keep us posted...
I wrote a similar letter to my paster only I didn't ask permission. I asked if we had a security team, and if so, who was in charge of it, and then asked if they trained together.
No response. That was more than a week ago.
I'm wondering what my next move should be. I like your question about whether your pastor has thought about carrying and his personal safety. My paster has stood up against pornography for the last almost half decade here locally and received many threats along the way. Maybe this is a good next move for me--to ask about whether SHE has thought about her and her family's personal safety.
Like they say, concealed means concealed. I would not put up with a church that infringes upon my right to self defense, anyway, so it's basically a moot point.
I attended my niece's baptism early this year, which was at a church that was heavily posted. While standing in the aisle holding my 3 month old son, I had one of the ushers come up behind me and pat me on the back.....about a half an inch from my G21 (that woke me up!). I didn;t worry about it too much, though; what they didn't know sure didn't hurt them.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil...