October 9th, 2008 10:01 PM
Traveling, help me understand rules
I'll be traveling from Texas to Minnesota--via the scenic route, going through Arkansas, Missouri, and Iowa.
From looking at the handgunlaws website, and some prior experience, I know I am good to go in Arkansas and Missouri.
I think I am good to go in Minnesota.
Traveling through Iowa is problematic. They don't recognize the Texas license.
O.K. Unloaded gun gets locked in trunk in one suitcase and ammo in another while driving through Iowa.
That would be straight forward, except, I plan to spend two nights in Ames, Iowa.
Am I correct that once I stop the federal rules permitting interstate transport stop too, because I am no longer traveling from one place where I am allowed to have the gun to another place where I am allowed to have it.
In other words, am I correct that there is no way to legally bring the gun on this trip if I stop overnight in Iowa?
I just looked at the following text on the NRA website which is IOWA specific;
No state permit is required to possess a rifle, shotgun, or
Persons under 21 cannot possess handguns or handgun
ammunition, except under the conditions listed in the purchase
It is a felony to go armed with, carry, or transport a firearm of
any kind, whether concealed or not, on the grounds of any public or
Loaded firearms must be secured from minors under 14.
It is unlawful to carry a handgun or any loaded firearm of any kind within the limits of any city, whether concealed or not. It is also unlawful to carry a handgun or other firearm concealed on or about
one’s person or to knowingly transport a handgun in a vehicle.
Exceptions to the above prohibition are:
• Possessors of a valid permit to carry a handgun whose conduct is within the limits of that permit.
• Carrying in one’s own dwelling, place of business, or on land owned or possessed by the person.
• Peace officers, correctional officers, members of the armed forces
and National Guard, or persons in the service of the United States
when carrying weapons in connection with their duties.
• A person who for any lawful purpose carries an unloaded
handgun inside a closed and fastened container or securely wrapped
package which is too large to be concealed on the person.
• A person who carries or transports for lawful purposes an unloaded pistol or revolver in a vehicle inside a closed and fastened container or securely wrapped package which is too large to be concealed on the person or inside a cargo or luggage compartment where the pistol or revolver will not be readily accessible to any person."
This appears to me to be an extension of the Federal S 926. That is, that so long as the gun is locked away unloaded in a case, in the trunk, it would be legal, even if I stopped for a couple of nights, as long as I don't actually carry on my person.
Anyone know for sure?
October 10th, 2008 10:34 AM
I live in Missouri spend a fair amount of time in IA on work, and you've got it exactly right. At the border: stop, unload, and lock up your gun in the trunk/back of the vehicle , and you're good to go in IA. I use the Center Mass Car Safe as a convenient method of securing your firearm for travel.
Hopefully Iowa will progress to a "shall issue" state with reciprocity soon, and we can be done with this nonsense.
Also, Handgunlaw.us is a great resource for state by state law info for the armed traveller.
Enjoy your trip, and honk and wave as you pass Kansas City,
October 10th, 2008 11:43 AM
If you are going up I-35 I always stopped at the last MO exit in Eagleville (exit 106). Big fireworks place, but I stopped for fuel and to pack away my gun for the Iowa part of the journey. Possession is fine in Iowa you just cannot carry in Iowa. Since you say you are heading to Ames that tells me you'll be heading up I-35 most likely. If you are taking US69 there is a small pull off area on the Northbound side a mile or so south of the Iowa border. Fairly remote and you should be able to do what you need to do there as well. It's Amish country so watch out for them sneaking up on you. Horses not cars of course.
Bethany, MO (US136 Exit 92) is the major exit before that Northbound. If you want food options and such that is a good exit. Mostly fast food stuff. There is a restaurant at the Eagleville exit, but I haven't eaten there.
There is a rest stop or exit right after the IA/MN border Northbound where you can rearm as well. If you are anti-rest stop the exit is only half a mile or so up the road Northbound Exit 2. You can use the same exit Southbound to disarm on your return trip.
Hope that helped. Have a safe trip.
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October 10th, 2008 01:13 PM
Actually if you store the gun in a container that cannot be concealed on the body, unloaded with the magazines unloaded, and kept in the furthest extent of the vehicle and inaccessible to any person in the car (trunk, etc) you'll be fine. You can take the gun into the hotel room with you and leave it there (luckily Ames is a pretty low-crime area), but do NOT carry it. Iowa recognizes no out of state permits, period. Iowa considers loaded magazines to be the same as a loaded gun.
Unloaded, mags unloaded, in a container in the furthest extent of the vehicle.
A car safe will not do it, it cannot be accessible to any person in the car while you're driving.
For reference, you can check Iowa Code 724.xx.
If you need a room in Ames, or want an armed escort, drop me a PM. I work for a hotel company and I'm with a group called Iowa Carry--we're trying to fix this as we speak.
"What does Marcellus Wallace LOOK like?"
October 10th, 2008 06:25 PM
HK Dan wrote: "If you need a room in Ames, or want an armed escort, drop me a PM. "
Actually I doubt I'll need an armed escort in Ames, but if you live there I would be happy to meet a Cyclone. I lived in Ames for 8 years--1967 to 1975.
Although I realize nothing at all will happen if I carry a suitcase up to the room, is there any possibility that would be construed as "on or about the person."
I hate to leave the gun in the car unattended (even in Ames), but don't want to accidentally violate some law in a technical fashion.
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