What is our mission as concealed carry permit holders?

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  • To survive. To use our guns as a tool to protect us long enough to get through life. Forget the political process, its unimportant.

    104 55.32%
  • To cling to our guns and gun culture. To thumb our noses at the ignorant and the Anti-guners and impede them at every turn. To vote for pro-gunners and contribute to the NRA.

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  • To reach across the chasm to the ignorant and misinformed. To make new friends and new Pro-Gunners wherever we go. To spread acceptance of Guns throughout our society. To gain the respect of those that disagree with us. To make people envious of our happiness and safety.

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    What is our mission as concealed carry permit holders?

    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    Actually, it's parts of all three, with #1 being first and foremost. If I can't survive (#1), there's no need for #'s 2&3.
    I meant to imply that each choice includes the choices above it (except where they conflict)
    I think i should have been clearer.


    1. To survive. To use our guns as a tool to protect us long enough to get through life. Forget the political process, its unimportant.
    2. To Survive. To be a "Gun Guy" (or Gal). To be politically active in our protection of 2A rights. To cling lovingly to our guns and gun culture. To thumb our noses and the ignorant and the Anti-guners and impede them at every turn. To vote for pro-gunners and contribute to the NRA.
    3. To Survive. To be a "Gun Guy or Gal". To be politically and socially active in our protection of 2A rights. To reach across the chasm to the ignorant and misinformed. To make new friends and new Pro-Gunners wherever we go. To spread acceptance of Guns throughout our society. To gain the respect of those that disagree with us. To make people envious of our happiness and safety.


    As concealed carry permit holders, what are we obligated to do? Is a CHL just a tool, a means to an end? Is it part of a culture of sportsmen and friends? Is it just a license to do what other 'normal' people cant?

    Can we expect our children to have the same rights as we enjoy if we continue our current practices and behavior? Will we continue to win the fight for our second amendment rights? Are we winning?



    As I see it:
    We are NOT winning this fight. We win small battles here and there, but we are losing the 'war'. We are losing our rights, one state at a time, one regulation at a time. This country is about to come under the near total control of people, the majority of whom hate guns, hate our culture and do not care for the 2nd amendment or the rights of us 'bitter' 'hillbilly' people.

    If things continue to go as they are, we WILL end up like the UK. Gunless, rightless, and those of us that can remember how it once was will cry in shame for letting it happen.

    The only way to prevent this is to convince more people of the error of their ways, whether that is anti-gunism, or just inaction or apathy. If we do not convince our friends, family, and the younger generation of our cause, we cannot win. We cannot win this by getting our permit, talking big with our buddies online or at the gun club, and letting that be it.

    In my opinion, we have to spread the word. We have to convince people, and before we can do that, we have to get them like us, or at least tolerate us. No one listens to a man who's personality or behavior offends them. They stubbornly fight him tooth and nail.

    My point is, its not good enough to preserve the 2nd amendment in your home.. or your heart. You have to reach out.

    Am i wrong?
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    I do not think you are wrong. It will be very interesting to see the turnout and outcome of the impending election. My sense is that many who hold our convictions have become complacent and disenchanted with the political process. The Republicans have not shown themselves to be substantively different from the Dems at many levels and have certainly not shown a desire to fight for their (our) rights and convictions.

    For me the jury is out. I hope (and pray) that the stark realities of socialism, political pride and opportunism, and suspicion of the citizenry that are so prominently clear in the Democratic ticket will motivate the complacent to action. If not, I will be truly concerned. The hope then will be that the disaster of the next four years will motivate truly conservative folks to seek action.

    In any case, I rest not in the political system of our nation, but the God who has sustained her from the beginning.

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    Actually, it's parts of all three, with #1 being first and foremost. If I can't survive (#1), there's no need for #'s 2&3.

    I do see my sidearm as a means to survive, keep to myself, at times share the importance of 2A (protection from the government), and a tool that keeps society...polite.

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    as a concealed permit holder, my only obligation is to survive.

    However, as a responsible gun owner, and 2nd amendment supporter, I try to sway certain people who seem like they may be on the fence about the issue. It's not worth arguing with hardcore antis though either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    Actually, it's parts of all three, with #1 being first and foremost. If I can't survive (#1), there's no need for #'s 2&3.

    I do see my sidearm as a means to survive, keep to myself, at times share the importance of 2A (protection from the government), and a tool that keeps society...polite.

    Stay armed...stay polite...stay safe!
    +1 (I see and agree with the logic)...however....

    I voted for #3, as it felt like you were asking a political question. I think it is important as a CCW holder to keep that freedom. So it is a good idea to be a part of the process. Chicken or the egg situation.

    So I can't say #1, as I don't really share with people that I carry (unless they need to know, and unless LE, they will most likely only know for a short time). But at the same time, I make it clear where I stand concerning that right / freedom.

    Tough call.

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    I see one of our main goals is to never have to use them...

    To avoid situations and places and instances where we would need to use them and to go through life without anyone ever knowing we have one.

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    Started as #1 and very quickly became #3 also.

    We are allowing too many of our fellow citizens to sell us out through their inaction and apathy. That includes people here with us on this gun board.

    When is that last time you corresponded with your representatives in government on any level? If the answer is more than a month ago, welcome to the problem. I was amazed how many of my co-workers last week during the attempt of the people to stop our government from taking yet another step they should not, didn't even know who their representatives were, and couldn't be prompted into wasting the time to correspond in any way with them.

    Educate yourelf and your co-workers about corresponding with your representatives. Don't tell others how to vote or what to say, but make sure you attempt to educate them how to do it. Our represnetatives are not fire-and-forget missles. They have to be guided constantly or they go where they please or where anyone with an agenda pushes them.

    I saw a great title of a book today, it was called Attention Deficit Democracy, and boy do we have it.
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    WHAT IS OUR MISSION AS CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT HOLDERS?
    That statement or question is addressing a team...an organized membership. "Our mission". Granted, we all have something in common, some of us would like to see similar goals met, and most are aware of political possibilities and issues involving our rights, privileges, an opportunities. But none of the poll choices are acceptable enough for me, personally to check one. The mix and match and wording just seem to be off. My missions? #1 To be more self sufficient and less dependent and to take care of myself and loved ones since the powers that be cannot control criminals. #2 To exercise my rights and freedoms paid for in blood, written by the hands of intelligent men, and witnessed by God. #3 To make sure these rights are inherited by our country's future generations, in whole, and in original condition as was intended.

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    "To reach across the chasm to the ignorant and misinformed. To make new friends and new Pro-Gunners wherever we go. To spread acceptance of Guns throughout our society. To gain the respect of those that disagree with us. To make people envious of our happiness and safety. "

    As gun owners first, and concealed weapon permit holders second, I believe it's our calling to make sure everyone in our family is educated and informed on guns, safety, issues of the 2A etc. By doing that we multiply our efforts through sheer numbers from our family to other families. We create stimulating conversation on our views and open the doors to showing others, not only the enjoyment of weapons and shooting, but the necessity of holding on to our 2A rights through Concealed Carry and OC and the value of having those rights. It's a never ending process to protect our rights from the "politically correct" that work toward the erosion of those rights.
    Sometimes in life you have to stand your ground. It's a hard lesson to learn and even most adults don't get it, but in the end only I can be responsible for my life. If faced with any type of adversity, only I can overcome it. Waiting for someone else to take responsibility is a long fruitless wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ram Rod View Post
    That statement or question is addressing a team...an organized membership. "Our mission". Granted, we all have something in common, some of us would like to see similar goals met, and most are aware of political possibilities and issues involving our rights, privileges, an opportunities. But none of the poll choices are acceptable enough for me, personally to check one. The mix and match and wording just seem to be off. My missions? #1 To be more self sufficient and less dependent and to take care of myself and loved ones since the powers that be cannot control criminals. #2 To exercise my rights and freedoms paid for in blood, written by the hands of intelligent men, and witnessed by God. #3 To make sure these rights are inherited by our country's future generations, in whole, and in original condition as was intended.
    Very well put. My lack of literary skills is apparent.
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    I carry a gun to protect myself and my family. That's the only reason I have a CHL. So of course I voted #1.

    As far as #s 2 & 3, that's why I'm a Hunter's Ed instructor and an NRA member. But the things listed in #s 2 & 3 have nothing to do with the "mission" of concealed carry. Concealed carry is a result of 2 & 3.
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    I have no mission, I have a responsibility to be the best person I can. My only mission in life is live as long as I can. You didn't have a choice for me so I didn't vote.

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    Carrying a gun does not impart me with a mission.
    A LEO has a mission and carries a gun to assist him in that mission.
    I have a CCW because I need one to legally carry my SD tool and it is just that; every time we mention "gun culture", "sheep/shepdog", "mission" etc. we set ourselves apart from the rest of the population.
    I believe this is kind of "elitist" and not the best way to integrate ...
    My $.02

    To the OP: PLEASE, do not take this comment personally; it is just the thoughts of a guy who have owned firearms for over 50 years and for whom they have lost all magic ... just tools (well, almost)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ram Rod View Post
    My missions? #1 To be more self sufficient and less dependent and to take care of myself and loved ones since the powers that be cannot control criminals. #2 To exercise my rights and freedoms paid for in blood, written by the hands of intelligent men, and witnessed by God. #3 To make sure these rights are inherited by our country's future generations, in whole, and in original condition as was intended.
    Along these lines, we should remember that our country was founded by not paying the tea tax and by going to war at Concord rather than giving up our guns to the British. I'd say if this is your mission, burn your CHL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    Actually, it's parts of all three, with #1 being first and foremost. If I can't survive (#1), there's no need for #'s 2&3.

    I do see my sidearm as a means to survive, keep to myself, at times share the importance of 2A (protection from the government), and a tool that keeps society...polite.

    Stay armed...stay polite...stay safe!
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