Vulnerability Question

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    Vulnerability Question

    Guys and Gals this question popped into my head one cold morning as I was waiting for my car to warm before taking off to school. Thus, since I work in the school system I can't carry any form of weapon on school grounds although I keep my Crkt in my car. This question came as I waited for my car to warm, and realized that I did not have my pistol. As any teacher know's we have to be at school fairly early and since the time has changed it is often dark.

    So, it is during these weekday morning movements that I feel most vulnerable and wish that I could pack my pistol and just leave it in the car. I am trained to defend myself based on my past life serving Uncle Sam, but nothing is more comfortable than having an ol' fire stick strapped on. I have often ran through scenarios in my mind as to what I would do if approached by a bad guy during these times.

    In closing, have any of you considered when you were most vulnerable and what your actions would be if approached by a bad guy. I mean because you never know what will happend. Anyway this is just some holiday rambling. I think, P95 is rubbing off on me. Moreover, I actively choose to elevate my alertness at this time because, like I said I am not armed.
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    I'd think that you did a good job of answering your own question, twice!

    First, since the situation is different, you automatically moved your awareness level up a notch.

    The second answer is found in your "sig" file.

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    I am most concerned about my wife. She woks at a large mall in town, and the company policy is no firearms. The mall has no policy about firearms so at least she can leave her Ruger SP101 .357 in the truck. As long as she can make it to the truck she has a chance to defend her self. Given the truck has remote key less entry, and she parks close to one of the main entrance, under one of the lamp post. I think her chances are good.

    Even though employees are to park in the south forty. I have had a very heated discussion about the parking, and I think they leave her alone because of that.

    I would rather she take her H&K USP Compact 9mm but, if the truck is broken into, it is better to have the Ruger taken. Less than have the cost of replacement.
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    I think, P95 is rubbing off on me.
    Hahaha - sorry dude - but this post certainly did not fail in its message, so can't be too bad!

    As Mike said, in a way you did answer yourself but hey - this is (I admit) something I do - posting thoughts and generally expressing concerns etc. It does help provoke responses along same lines and I doubt I ever fail to learn something from other's input.

    Let me say up front - I hear ya!!! I am so 16/7 dedicated, and so thankful not to be confined as you are by stupid regulations - that I sometimes forget how lucky I am. I am not sure that awareness changes when or when not packing - but it is perhaps for different but equally valid reasons. I certainly do not relish feeling ''nekkid''!

    I can think back not too far tho to such things as travelling to UK - and having to be ''pieceless'' both driving thru MD and then again once at DC (Dulles), having to undo and secrete piece in truck. From then on being totally nekkid for days, until a glorious return to normalcy!

    I guess just being aware of your vulnerability is the main thing, which is inevitable but perhaps if any difference from packing - try and have a few extra plans in mind in case of problems.

    Whatever - watch six and stay safe.
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    I made lifestyle choices that don't put me in such situations unless I'm required to go to court, then I check the gun in if needed.

    Other than that, I won't take a job that limits my right to defend myself and don't go places that prohibit my ability to do the same.

    It costs me real $$$, sure. However, I can replace $$$.
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    Hey guys, I did not mean to answer myself and just as 95 said I just wanted responses. Once again guys good responses. Just wanted us to really think about it. Just came back from doing some final shopping and decided to house hunt a bit and look around. I was doing the speed limit when a "pimp mobile" driver decided to gun his engine and run up on my bumper. I tapped my brakes and he backed off. He blew his horn and all that jazz but I was secure because I was armed. I can't stress enough how important it is to be armed. Thanks again guys.
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    I made lifestyle choices that don't put me in such situations unless I'm required to go to court, then I check the gun in if needed.

    Other than that, I won't take a job that limits my right to defend myself and don't go places that prohibit my ability to do the same.

    It costs me real $$$, sure. However, I can replace $$$.
    Exactly how I feel.
    However, keeping your awareness level up is the best solution I can offer. That, and innocuous seeming weapons. A nice cross pen with a solid aluminum or steel body is handy, and there are a few places you can find special self defense tools made to look like wrenches and suckh. Handy to have, for sure. a coat slung over the shoulder makes a handy foil in case of a knife attack, especially if it's of heavy material. A good solid briefcase can hold papers, as well as making a decent shield or impact device. There are weapons all around us, we merely have to be vigilant in looking for them.
    In the past, I've lived places which forbid me to be armed. At those times, I felt most vulnerable when doing things like entering and exitng my vehicle. If threatened while in my vehicle, I am in control of a 2000 lb weapon. No trouble, unless wedged in traffic, which I endeavor to avoid.
    Even though armed 16/7, I feel concern when getting in or out of the vehicle. Locking the front door upon exit is a concern, as well.
    The only other solution I can offer, is that you might consider getting a Trunk Monkey.
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    I'm not too worried about my own life, because I'm in that sort of place spiritually. But when I'm with my family, I really get on edge.

    If I was approached by a BG alone, I would likely only draw to scare them away, and only shoot if he intended to shoot me. (Kill or be killed). But with my family or even with strangers, I feel obligated to protect, and I wouldn't even flinch.
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    As stated Running in a high readyness mode is the one thing i would do..

    Hey i was working in the Hood today and was watching everything .. Just like parking never pull in forward always back in i do for work all the time

    Always faster to run in forward than Reverse..

    All good advice given

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    The last time I was truly compromised AKA totally unarmed (without choice) was when the Wife & I were in a local Court Room waiting room.
    My wife was subpoenaed to testify & they were bringing this really bad groups of dudes in...ankle chained together in orange prison suits.
    Me & the Wife moved closer to the Exit.
    I remember thinking..."sure hope these guys don't decide to make a "last stand" right here."
    Any one of those guys could have grabbed a wooden chair & instantly taken their escort right out... who was busy BSing with the court clerk and absolutely was in total Condition White.

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    Hey Bluelion, what state do you work in? It sucks that you can't even have our weapon safely stored in your car during the day. You could always come to Texas, where it's legal to carry it in your car.
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    I have a Very good friend that's an assistant principal in Brooklyn NY.
    Nasty neighborhood. Carries all the time. No NYC permit. School rules say it's a no no.
    Does it anyway.
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    Hey, friends I am back from the holiday and I live in NC and this question always comes to my mind as I leave early in the morning for school.
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    Let's not forget that there are other way's to arm yourself while in an area that doesnt allow firearms. A can of pepper spray and or folding knife on the belt, a good pair of running shoes. It doesnt make you feel warm and fuzzy all over like you handgun but you never have to be totally defenseless
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    I don't really have the problem of going to locations I can't carry, so the situations I'd be most vulnerable would be in the shower, in very crowded locations where it's hard to observe everything, and when I'm sick or asleep.

    I have Shower Buddy, my Cold Steel CAT Tanto, dangling in the shower caddy.

    I hate large crowds, and though I do go to malls, I hate it when it's crowded. Lots of shopping eye candy can be distracting, too. I can only continue to do my best to be observant and keep my purse close.

    When I'm sick, I sleep it off. And I sleep like a rock and can wake up in a state of "dazed duh" whether I'm on sick meds or not. I can set the perimeter alarm and lock the bedroom door to give myself valuable seconds in case I have intruders.

    Mrshonts has the problem of not being able to carry everywhere. Working with foster kids can mean traveling to government buildings. Trying to discreetly disarm while you've got a teenager with you must be difficult. And sometimes he has to travel to bad neighborhoods or get in the middle of very tense situations. I went with him to one call, and I noted right away the houses in that neighborhood had bars on the windows. Mrshonts described the crime rate in that neighborhood and pointed out one notorious crack house that one of his kids hid out at one time.
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