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    Carry on an Airplane...

    I was watching Die Hard the other day and there's a scene where Bruce Willis' character is carrying his gun on the plane.

    So here are some questions:

    1. Who is allowed to carry a gun onto a plane?
    2. Can anyone carry a gun onto a private aircraft?

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    Federal Air Marshals can carry on Airliners. As for Private Aircraft... if I fly out of my airport with friends in their Cessna...I carry...
    "carrying a gun is a lot lighter than carrying a cop in your pocket" -MrTwice99

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    IIRC on a private flight the pilot in command may decide who can carry what at their discretion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by athos76 View Post
    Federal Air Marshals can carry on Airliners.
    Can they carry only on flights they are assigned to "protect" or are they given authority to carry on any flight, even while off-duty?

    Are any federal agents allowed to carry on flights? Secret Service springs immediately to mind.

    I may be venturing into Mall Ninja territory, but what about military? I'm thinking of some Rainbow Six style group here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FallenPhoenix View Post
    Can they carry only on flights they are assigned to "protect" or are they given authority to carry on any flight, even while off-duty?

    Are any federal agents allowed to carry on flights? Secret Service springs immediately to mind.

    I may be venturing into Mall Ninja territory, but what about military? I'm thinking of some Rainbow Six style group here.
    Fed agents or LEO with proper creds can carry on commercial flights. For example, I'm not a fed but I am a LEO, and I can carry on commercial flights. It all about some silly training class and paperwork. I did enjoy fed status for a time, and it was really no big deal.
    Military is a no go on commercial flights. Chartered flights are a different story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FallenPhoenix View Post
    Can they carry only on flights they are assigned to "protect" or are they given authority to carry on any flight, even while off-duty?

    Are any federal agents allowed to carry on flights? Secret Service springs immediately to mind.

    I may be venturing into Mall Ninja territory, but what about military? I'm thinking of some Rainbow Six style group here.
    As far as I know no one in the military carries on Commercial flights, but on chartered flights it does happen.
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    I once had 33 FBI agents on my flight after a law enforcement seminar and the only thing I told them that I unhappy about was that there was not 34 FBI agents armed on my flight.

    I like armed Feds and LEOs on my flights. The more the merrier. I wish I could let CCW's on my flights but that is not up to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napolean View Post
    I wish I could let CCW's on my flights but that is not up to me.
    You mean like this?

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    Oh yeah, 'Die Hard' is a fictional story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by automatic slim View Post
    Remember, it's only a movie.
    Thanks, I was about to remind folks "IT'S JUST A MOVIE"...

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    Airline Pilots who take a course and get certified can carry on a commercial airplane as well. I am a private/commercial pilot as well, on charter or private flights I would hope a passenger would advise me of his desire to carry before the flight.

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    My uncle is a Federal Agent. I was talking with him about this recently. If he is traveling off the job, he is not allowed to carry. If he is traveling for work, then he is REQUIRED to carry, and get to sit in a special spot, meet all the pilots and attendants, and is considered the air marshall when in flight.
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    Any limitation on your uncle's ability to carry off-duty is imposed by his agency's directive or policy, per 2 (iv) below.

    The TSA's information available to the general public is purposefully vague:
    TSA: Law Enforcement Officers Flying Armed

    It cites the Code of Federal Regulation CFR 1544.219 Carriage of Accessible Weapons:

    § 1544.219 Carriage of accessible weapons.

    (a) Flights for which screening is conducted. The provisions of §1544.201(d), with respect to accessible weapons, do not apply to a law enforcement officer (LEO) aboard a flight for which screening is required if the requirements of this section are met. Paragraph (a) of this section does not apply to a Federal Air Marshal on duty status under §1544.223.

    (1) Unless otherwise authorized by TSA, the armed LEO must meet the following requirements:

    (i) Be a Federal law enforcement officer or a full-time municipal, county, or state law enforcement officer who is a direct employee of a government agency.

    (ii) Be sworn and commissioned to enforce criminal statutes or immigration statutes.

    (iii) Be authorized by the employing agency to have the weapon in connection with assigned duties.

    (iv) Has completed the training program “Law Enforcement Officers Flying Armed.”

    (2) In addition to the requirements of paragraph (a)(1) of this section, the armed LEO must have a need to have the weapon accessible from the time he or she would otherwise check the weapon until the time it would be claimed after deplaning. The need to have the weapon accessible must be determined by the employing agency, department, or service and be based on one of the following:

    (i) The provision of protective duty, for instance, assigned to a principal or advance team, or on travel required to be prepared to engage in a protective function.

    (ii) The conduct of a hazardous surveillance operation.

    (iii) On official travel required to report to another location, armed and prepared for duty.

    (iv) Employed as a Federal LEO, whether or not on official travel, and armed in accordance with an agency-wide policy governing that type of travel established by the employing agency by directive or policy statement.

    (v) Control of a prisoner, in accordance with §1544.221, or an armed LEO on a round trip ticket returning from escorting, or traveling to pick up, a prisoner.

    (vi) TSA Federal Air Marshal on duty status.

    (3) The armed LEO must comply with the following notification requirements:

    (i) All armed LEOs must notify the aircraft operator of the flight(s) on which he or she needs to have the weapon accessible at least 1 hour, or in an emergency as soon as practicable, before departure.

    (ii) Identify himself or herself to the aircraft operator by presenting credentials that include a clear full-face picture, the signature of the armed LEO, and the signature of the authorizing official of the agency, service, or department or the official seal of the agency, service, or department. A badge, shield, or similar device may not be used, or accepted, as the sole means of identification.

    (iii) If the armed LEO is a State, county, or municipal law enforcement officer, he or she must present an original letter of authority, signed by an authorizing official from his or her employing agency, service or department, confirming the need to travel armed and detailing the itinerary of the travel while armed.

    (iv) If the armed LEO is an escort for a foreign official then this paragraph (a)(3) may be satisfied by a State Department notification.

    (4) The aircraft operator must do the following:

    (i) Obtain information or documentation required in paragraphs (a)(3)(ii), (iii), and (iv) of this section.

    (ii) Advise the armed LEO, before boarding, of the aircraft operator's procedures for carrying out this section.

    (iii) Have the LEO confirm he/she has completed the training program “Law Enforcement Officers Flying Armed” as required by TSA, unless otherwise authorized by TSA.

    (iv) Ensure that the identity of the armed LEO is known to the appropriate personnel who are responsible for security during the boarding of the aircraft.

    (v) Notify the pilot in command and other appropriate crewmembers, of the location of each armed LEO aboard the aircraft. Notify any other armed LEO of the location of each armed LEO, including FAM's. Under circumstances described in the security program, the aircraft operator must not close the doors until the notification is complete.

    (vi) Ensure that the information required in paragraphs (a)(3)(i) and (ii) of this section is furnished to the flight crew of each additional connecting flight by the Ground Security Coordinator or other designated agent at each location.

    (b) Flights for which screening is not conducted. The provisions of §1544.201(d), with respect to accessible weapons, do not apply to a LEO aboard a flight for which screening is not required if the requirements of paragraphs (a)(1), (3), and (4) of this section are met.

    (c) Alcohol. (1) No aircraft operator may serve any alcoholic beverage to an armed LEO.

    (2) No armed LEO may:

    (i) Consume any alcoholic beverage while aboard an aircraft operated by an aircraft operator.

    (ii) Board an aircraft armed if they have consumed an alcoholic beverage within the previous 8 hours.

    (d) Location of weapon. (1) Any individual traveling aboard an aircraft while armed must at all times keep their weapon:

    (i) Concealed and out of view, either on their person or in immediate reach, if the armed LEO is not in uniform.

    (ii) On their person, if the armed LEO is in uniform.

    (2) No individual may place a weapon in an overhead storage bin.
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    Wait! Die Hard wasn't a documentary of actual events?!?!?

    Of course it was just a movie!!! It just prompted the thought and I figured I'd learn what the truth was. Yeesh.

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