This is a discussion on 1911 Punisher Grips = JAIL???? within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by GWRedDragon Go even further and get the same weapon used by the local LEOs. Not sure about my county police but I ...
Taste alone says "no."
Aside from that, why chance it? The potential exists for them to make your life harder in a serious way without ever adding any value to it whatsoever.
The other advantage of course to carrying the same gun as your local officers (if they have a standard one) is that if they ever have to clear it it will be familiar to them and thus they will be unlikely to have a ND doing so.
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If you are involved in a bad shoot, then you have more to worry about than the logo on your grips, or whether you used hollow points in your weapon, or if you effected a Mozambique drill on your attacker, etc.. You'll have someone dead on your hands that got that way because of your unjustified actions and twelve people that will want you to answer for it.
If you are involved in a legit shoot, and have counsel that is minimally competent, the jury will have their hands full digesting the sequence of events that led up to you being forced to defend your life. Your grips on your gun will be of no concern and totally immaterial as they are.
Jury's also tend not to like prosecutors that appear to be hammering the little guy without cause and prosecutors are also sensitive to the possibility. The sword swings both ways.
I mean, I admit some guns look better than others, and some grips are cool.
But, Im not out to make a fashion statement, I'm out to conceal carry defend myself.
So, I'd go for functionality. Wouldn't ever think about putting skulls on my pistol.
I think it would depend on circumstances surrounding the shoot. If your life was in clear and present danger and your actions were perceived as justifiable, than that would trump your firearm asthetics. However, if your actions were perceived as questionable I feel more attention would be paid to other factors involved (i.e. the grips, your appearance, delving into your character flaws, blah, blah, blah).
"Better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it."
I agree that there will be an impact, but the impact will be measured as part of the whole.
If, for instance, you have the Punisher grips, armor-piercing rounds, twelve knives, 2 BUGs, four mags for each gun, and a big tat that screams "Kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out", then I'd insist you're gonna look bad in the eyes of the jury no matter whether the shoot was legit or not.
But if you're clean-cut, with a prudent and responsible # and selection of carry weapons, ammo that does the job w/o being drastic overkill, a clean record and generally known as a level-headed good neighbor, then I'd warrant that the Punisher grips will be much less likely to influence a jury.
For me, the last thing I really want to be involved in is a shooting. The second-to-last thing I want to be involved in is a questionable shooting. The third-to-last thing I want to be involved in is a questionable shooting where my appearance and/or demeanor give the jury suspicions that I'm some Rambo vigilante wanna-be out to change the world with a six-gun and an attitude.
And, to bring in another thread, the fourth-to-last thing I want to be involved in is a zombie invasion. Ewww . . . creeeepy.
I would keep my 'carry grips' free and clear of anything that could be misjudged for any reason. There are plenty of cool looking grips with special wood(s)...I have such on several of my weapons, including my carry gun.
I would not, however, put 'Punisher' type symbols on a pistol I use for SD when I'm out and about. Just not my taste.
I look at it this way...if I have to defend myself, I'll have enough questions to answer about the BG's 22 holes...l don't need to be explaining why I have 'The Punisher' on my carry gun.
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Judging by your comment, I don't think you intend to add anything meaningful to this discussion save skepticism/cynicism so I don't think I'll bother to give a thoughtful response to your question. Tell you what. How about you site me one case in which a person was convicted on the basis of the cosmetic appearance of their firearm. Then I will concede to your doubt of whether I know about what I speak.
I think the point that many have missed is this;
Although you may not be officially the reason for a conviction and it may not be even allowed to be officially introduced to the jury, but it does send a message and leave an impression on the jury, judge and the public. Official or not, its there and will be a factor.
"Just blame Sixto"
Not to mention the thrill and excitement of the Civil Trial that certainly will follow. Not near the burden of proof necessary there, and little things like appearances and attitudes WILL come into play!
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