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    How do you handle situations like this?

    What's the best way to handle situations like this?

    My daughter has a school dance to go to tonight. I cannot carry on school property. In between the dance I'm going out to eat so I'd like to carry.

    Picking her up off school property isn't possible. I won't have her walking in the dark to do this.

    What's the best way to handle this? I can disarm and put the gun in a case before going on school property. The downside is I risk someone seeing me do this and legally I have to unload my magazines also. That would be a pian.

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    Not sure of your particular state's laws...here in FL...no guns on school property, except to pick up or drop someone off.
    You can't do that?
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    Just a pic up drop off

    If its a fly by swing in and she hops out i woudln't worry about it. Just keep it in the holster and stay in your truck/car.
    If you want to get out and escort her or be "that" dad with the camera secure it before you leave the vehicle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    Not sure of your particular state's laws...here in FL...no guns on school property, except to pick up or drop someone off.
    You can't do that?
    This is what the law says.....

    724.4B Carrying weapons on school grounds—penalty—exceptions.
    1. A person who goes armed with, carries, or transports a firearm of any kind, whether concealed or not, on the grounds of a school commits a class "D" felony. For the purposes of this section, "school" means a public or nonpublic school as defined in section 280.2.
    2. Subsection 1 does not apply to the following:
    a. A person listed under section 724.4, subsection 4, paragraphs "b" through "f" or "j".
    b. A person who has been specifically authorized by the school to go armed, carry, or transport a firearm on the school grounds, including for purposes of conducting an instructional program regarding firearms.

    section 724.4, subsection 4, paragraphs "b" through "f" or "j".......

    b. A peace officer, when the officer's duties require the person to carry such weapons.
    c. A member of the armed forces of the United States or of the national guard or person in the service of the United States, when the weapons are carried in connection with the person's duties as such.
    d. A correctional officer, when the officer's duties require, serving under the authority of the Iowa department of corrections.
    e. A person who for any lawful purpose carries an unloaded pistol, revolver, or other dangerous weapon inside a closed and fastened container or securely wrapped package which is too large to be concealed on the person.
    f. A person who for any lawful purpose carries or transports an unloaded pistol or revolver in a vehicle inside a closed and fastened container or securely wrapped package which is too large to be concealed on the person or inside a cargo or luggage compartment where the pistol or revolver will not be readily accessible to any person riding in the vehicle or common carrier.
    j. A law enforcement officer from another state when the officer's duties require the officer to carry the weapon and the officer is in this state for any of the following reasons:
    (1) The extradition or other lawful removal of a prisoner from this state.
    (2) Pursuit of a suspect in compliance with chapter 806.
    (3) Activities in the capacity of a law enforcement officer with the knowledge and consent of the chief of police of the city or the sheriff of the county in which the activities occur or of the commissioner of public safety.

    Quote Originally Posted by gilliland87 View Post
    If its a fly by swing in and she hops out i woudln't worry about it. Just keep it in the holster and stay in your truck/car.
    If you want to get out and escort her or be "that" dad with the camera secure it before you leave the vehicle.
    So your saying I should risk a class "D" felony?

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    Deffinantly not

    The Laws speak for themselves in that case I rescind my previous advice. The advice I gave earlier was given to me by a local leo in AZ, However I am now going to go digging through our codes looking any pertinent sections.

    The way your laws are written I wonder if transporting in a case and unloaded with empty mags would be legal?

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    Park the car off school grounds and carry a knife or can of pepper spray, in lieu of a firearm.

    Schools are a tricky item to work around.

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    I think you answered your own question SB...we all deal with workarounds like the post office or sporting event. Maybe in this case carrying is not an option and some other self-defense be used. Or, do as you suggested...and live with the "pain".

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    In Virginia it has to be in a "closed container"

    or carried by a CHP holder, who must remain in the vehicle and the weapon must remain concealed, and then only while picking up or dropping off a person.

    The Virgina Code is:
    The exemptions set out in § 18.2-308 shall apply, mutatis mutandis, to the provisions of this section. The provisions of this section shall not apply to (i) persons who possess such weapon or weapons as a part of the school's curriculum or activities; (ii) a person possessing a knife customarily used for food preparation or service and using it for such purpose; (iii) persons who possess such weapon or weapons as a part of any program sponsored or facilitated by either the school or any organization authorized by the school to conduct its programs either on or off the school premises; (iv) any law-enforcement officer; (v) any person who possesses a knife or blade which he uses customarily in his trade; (vi) a person who possesses an unloaded firearm that is in a closed container, or a knife having a metal blade, in or upon a motor vehicle, or an unloaded shotgun or rifle in a firearms rack in or upon a motor vehicle; or (vii) a person who has a valid concealed handgun permit and possesses a concealed handgun while in a motor vehicle in a parking lot, traffic circle, or other means of vehicular ingress or egress to the school. For the purposes of this paragraph, "weapon" includes a knife having a metal blade of three inches or longer and "closed container" includes a locked vehicle trunk.

    None of my vehicles have a "trunk." One has a lockable drawer under the seat and in the other two I keep a commercial pistol box that I have a padlock on. If I know I'll have to leave the vehicle I lock the pistol up and liberate it when I leave the property. Haven't had to deal with needing to leave the vehicle without notice, i.e., the teacher or principal asks us to come inside.

    As for the "firearms rack in or upon a motor vehicle," Virginia only says the firearm has to be in the rack. I think the federal code says it has to be LOCKED in a rack.

    Check your state's code carefully and it may say that you can pickup or drop off a person, under their given conditions.
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    Cool

    There are already enough anti-gunners out there. Please observe your jurisdictions laws to the letter. Don't give "them" more ammunition. If you try to interpret the laws your way, it better be backed by the courts. And, with a class D, there goes your permit.

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    It looks like...

    724.4B Carrying weapons on school grounds—penalty—exceptions.
    2. Subsection 1 does not apply to the following:
    a. A person listed under section 724.4, subsection 4, paragraphs "b" through "f" or "j".

    e. A person who for any lawful purpose carries an unloaded pistol, revolver, or other dangerous weapon inside a closed and fastened container or securely wrapped package which is too large to be concealed on the person.

    I'd say that you could put your pistol (empty the rev or take out the mag) in a fastened container in the trunk and you'd be just fine. INAL...OMO
    A pain in the butt, but I guess you could jump through those hoops to have the weapon in your possession 'to and from'...

    Seek 'in-state' advice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    It looks like...

    724.4B Carrying weapons on school grounds—penalty—exceptions.
    2. Subsection 1 does not apply to the following:
    a. A person listed under section 724.4, subsection 4, paragraphs "b" through "f" or "j".

    e. A person who for any lawful purpose carries an unloaded pistol, revolver, or other dangerous weapon inside a closed and fastened container or securely wrapped package which is too large to be concealed on the person.

    I'd say that you could put your pistol (empty the rev or take out the mag) in a fastened container in the trunk and you'd be just fine. INAL...OMO
    A pain in the butt, but I guess you could jump through those hoops to have the weapon in your possession 'to and from'...

    Seek 'in-state' advice.
    It does not have to be in the trunk, if it is in a case. It can be in a case OR locked in the trunk. And I am not sure where the idea that the magazines have to be unloaded is coming from, unless that is somewhere else in the state law. This section just says the gun has to be unloaded. Unless the state law defines unloaded as something else, I would just unload the gun, put it in a case on the back seat and put the loaded magazine in my pocket.

    f. A person who for any lawful purpose carries or transports an unloaded pistol or revolver in a vehicle inside a closed and fastened container or securely wrapped package which is too large to be concealed on the person or inside a cargo or luggage compartment where the pistol or revolver will not be readily accessible to any person riding in the vehicle or common carrier.

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    I do not have a copy of the specific codes for your state, but take a good look at the definitions section. Here in Texas the definition of school property is "inside" the building. The parking lots and green spaces are not included. Do also look carefully through your state's regulations for places where there may be a confusing exception. Here in Texas on one page it says you cannot carry a concealed weapon in a church, then on the next page lists them as a place where it is only prohibited if they are properly posted. This is a seperate place from the area similar to what is posted from your statutes.
    But if you are authorized to carry a weapon, and you walk outside without it, just take a deep breath, and say this to yourself...
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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLT View Post
    And I am not sure where the idea that the magazines have to be unloaded is coming from, unless that is somewhere else in the state law. This section just says the gun has to be unloaded. Unless the state law defines unloaded as something else, I would just unload the gun, put it in a case on the back seat and put the loaded magazine in my pocket.
    All my life I have been told from anyone that talks about it that the magazine has to be unloaded. This could be wrong. I tried searching for more info on this and can't come up with anything. I found this PDF on Iowa gun laws and it doesn't say the magazine has to be unloaded that I can see.

    http://www.dps.state.ia.us/asd/weapons/wbrochure.pdf

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    Ok I found this. It says the magazine has to be unloaded if on a public highway.

    So can I take this as I can be in town with a magazine loaded?

    Iowa Code
    483A.36 Manner of conveyance.
    No person, except as permitted by law, shall have or carry a gun in or on a vehicle on a public
    highway, unless the gun is taken down or totally contained in a securely fastened case, and its
    barrels and magazines are unloaded.

    http://www.dps.state.ia.us/asd/weapons/wtransport.pdf

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    Sb,

    I would take it that a person who has a CCW permit would fall under the exceptions permitted by law clause of the statute you posted regarding public highways. OMO
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