Interesting range discussion

Interesting range discussion

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    Interesting range discussion

    I was at the range the other day and spoke with one of the other shooters. She was there checking out her pistol after some maintenance in preperation for teaching a concealed weapons license class last weekend.

    The subject of being practiced with your chosen firearm came up. I think I have found a good statement to sum up the way some people feel that just having a firearm makes them safe.

    Carrying a firearm without being proficient with it means it is just a talisman. It will ward off evil all by itself without you having to be capable of proper proficient use.
    But if you are authorized to carry a weapon, and you walk outside without it, just take a deep breath, and say this to yourself...
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    I agree ! I see many people talking about having/carrying a gun without any training or very little a looong time ago.
    You are right, they view the gun as a magical device
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    Agreed x .45

    An excellent statement of truth that is.
    So good, and truthful, that I'm going to add it to my signature.

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    Add to that that being a good marksman does not necessarily guarantee your success during a real shooting.

    Selection- folks pick out a pistol to carry
    Carry- they even carry it
    Deployment- when and how to get it out under the worst circumstances, the missing link in most firearms training
    Use- being able to hit a target when both of you are moving and how to run the gun

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    Excellent points bigiceman and mercop.

    Adding my own .02 cents, I can't tell you how many times I see people train on a square range on their own time or for quals and draw from every conceivable (and easy) way other than how they actually carry their firearms on a day-to-day basis which does nothing for preparing someone for a fight.
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    To be a warrior is not a simple matter of wishing to be one. It is rather an endless struggle that will go on to the very last moment of our lives. Nobody is born a warrior, in exactly the same way that nobody is born an average man. We make ourselves into one or the other.
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    How does that old saying go, "Owning a firearm doesn't make you well defended any more than owing a piano makes you a musician.", or something like that.
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    I see guys & gals buying 642's and simular revolvers for EDC but are unwilling to shoot lots of rounds down range because of the comfort level.
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    True words, indeed! It's smilar to what Tangle said above: How do you get to Carnigie Hall? Practice, practice, practice!
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    Ditto...and I get the feeling that a number here rarely practice. No doubt practice will save my life if the fan gets hit.

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    "Carrying a firearm without being proficient with it means it is just a talisman. It will ward off evil all by itself without you having to be capable of proper proficient use."

    OK I'll play Advocate Of The Devil here.

    Based on the reported cases every year that a firearm is displayed but, not actually fired or used in self-defense (not even factoring in the number of incidents that go completely unreported every year) - a person could make the very valid argument that in most potentially deadly situations (where a firearm is involved) the sight of the firearm alone IS enough of a deterrent and in reality does act somewhat like a very effective talisman.

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    Stay armed...abra cadabra...stay safe!

    I think I'll stick with practice...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jfl View Post
    I agree ! I see many people talking about having/carrying a gun without any training or very little a looong time ago.
    You are right, they view the gun as a magical device
    When you consider that 90% of the time self defense confrontations end without a shot being fired then maybe there is SOME magic in letting a perp look down the barrel of a gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QKShooter View Post
    "Carrying a firearm without being proficient with it means it is just a talisman. It will ward off evil all by itself without you having to be capable of proper proficient use."

    OK I'll play Advocate Of The Devil here.

    Based on the reported cases every year that a firearm is displayed but, not actually fired or used in self-defense (not even factoring in the number of incidents that go completely unreported every year) - a person could make the very valid argument that in most potentially deadly situations the sight of the firearm alone IS enough of a deterrent and in reality does act somewhat like a very effective talisman.

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    True, but with all the unarmed victims killed or seriously injured by perps every year, I'd say it'd be pretty silly for the actual firearm carrier to actually come across "that guy" who makes you take the shot, yet you hesitated, and ended up dying anyway (probably by your own pistol!)

    I think overall it really depends on one's mindset. If I ever raise a firearm in defense I will be prepared to use it and have decided, ahead of time, that I will take another life to save my own or my family's. If the BG runs, well, that's his choice and I obviously won't fire. But I was prepared to take decisive action.

    But if one is of the mindset "well... I *guess* that if it *really* came to it I *would probably* pull the trigger, maybe just to maim, you know? Hopefully, I really *hope* that he will just run away!" then all that will result is constant hesitation.

    To me, its very important for someone to seriously "have a discussion with themselves" as to whether they could actually ever take the life of another in self-defense. It doesn't mean disrespecting life in any way; in fact, I'd say it means just the opposite - truly realizing that we're talking about a *life* here.

    Anyway, this is sort of moot for me since I do not own a firearm at the moment unfortunately, but it is something that I think about. Hopefully when I'm in a better financial spot I'll be ready

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    talisman or a tailors dream?

    It is a fact that some poeple do think just having a gun is enough and just the mere sight of it will cause a perp to mess his drawers. Sometimes it doesn't work and we read a story of a homeowner having his gun be the weapon that killed him which is never an article I like to see. I personally will train to the best of my abilities and budget. If I ever need to draw my gun to defend myself and the perp flee's thank god but I would not bet my survival on the fact. However most people with the mindset that training is not esential will not take the time to seek it out, If you want to help them I would say be an ambassador to a range session or even an IPDA match.( or an activity similar)

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