I Had to Shoot
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I know we come from all backgrounds from joe 6 pack ( me ) ...
January 6th, 2006 04:26 PM
I Had to Shoot
ok the title is a cheater to draw you in but...
I know we come from all backgrounds from joe 6 pack ( me ) to attorneys so here is prob. my only what if post to the board .
You had to use your handgun / knife / nuculear chiwawa on someone , the police have been called , by you, or suzey q concernedcitizen walk me thro how YOU will handle the crime scene , witnesses , and officers when they make their belated appearance.
I am just curious as to folk's thoughts on this and please all lets ridicule NO ONE , this is for education not ego's
My background as an officer colors mine so i will wait to post it in the intrest of not colloring anyones posts but please all chime inn right or wrong all we can do is learn
January 6th, 2006 04:35 PM
Keep your mouth shut. Don't run off at the mouth trying to defend yourself to "Barney Fife" (no offense LEOs). It's like begging forgiveness from the mailman. He can't grant you forgiveness.
Second, make sure the witnesses know what they saw, and/or stick around to provide statements. You don't want some anti-crazy head saying that you went around waving your gun.
Third, I guess it's moot to say "relax". There isn't a soul alive that could relax after something like this.
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January 6th, 2006 04:41 PM
Holster your gun, call 911, ask any witnesses to stay for the police to question, don't touch anything. When they arrive tell them no more than you were attacked and had to defend yourself but considering your state of mind under the circumstances you want to speak to an attorney before any police questioning. You do not consent to a search and you do not wave your rights. You want to speak to an attorney before any questioning of you and/or spouse.
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January 6th, 2006 04:49 PM
ok 11 views and two brave souls replied ,
Lets assume to YOU its a good shoot , no dobuts that you needed to dump the scrote ( a dirivitave of scroti~amerinaci~fungi ) its not like you need to run away , come on folks what would ya do
January 6th, 2006 04:51 PM
Havegunjoe must have spoken to my lawyer...it's almost word for word what I was told to do if the situation arises.
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January 6th, 2006 04:57 PM
First after the shooting has stoped, call 911. The first person to call 911 usually gets to play the part of the victim in court. When the police arrive tell them that you were afraid for your life and that your a little too upset at this time to make a statement. Let them know that you wish to speak with a lawyer before making a statement. Remember the police are not there to be your friend, allthough thats what they will lead you to believe, they are there to collect evidence. This includes evidence that can be used against you. Now call a lawyer. Everyone should carry the Phone# of a good defense lawyer with them at all times. As far as the crime scene, the only thing Ill do is make sure no one walks off with the BG's weapon (gun/knife). If there are any whitnesess standing around I would tell then that everything is ok and that the police have been called.
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January 6th, 2006 05:02 PM
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Trying not to be lazy here but yes, Joe pretty much nails it.
I am dead certain after such an event I will be jello - and would endevor to say the minumum. I also for sure would want any witnesses to stay put while I wait. My piece would be holstered at very first opportunity too.
As and when LE turns up I will be polite and say little, other than at most I was in fear of my life. All in all - this period of time would be a very stressful one, of that I am sure.
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January 6th, 2006 05:10 PM
come on ya new to ccw chime in , this is a no flame zone , part of ccw is the willingness and ability to use the weapon , yall gotta have an idea on this stuff , and here its no harm no fowl pierced jumped inn as a jr member of the board , i dont know nor do i care about his real world experiance , ( if the gods forbid ) the dice is rolled , and your number comes up , this thread isnt about how to survive the gunfight , other threads do that , this is about how do i handle myself and manage the aftermath , lets hear ya sound off
< edited to come in compliance on a fumble from " i dont no" to " i dont know " in accordance with " Mein dictionary " LOL , ps i can be shot at sunrise for the rest of it
January 6th, 2006 06:20 PM
havegunjoe already posted why would have been my answer.
January 6th, 2006 06:52 PM
If only that were 100% true.
come on ya new to ccw chime in , this is a no flame zone
I really don't have much to add, other than soiled undies, a full on coronary, or simply a good witness or 20 your best bet is to be completely honest, and keep your mouth shut until you see a lawyer.
January 6th, 2006 07:06 PM
My plan for a shooting scenario
- Freak out
- Stop heart from beating
- Wet myself
- call 911, shaking
- Tell the cop I had to shoot him to save my life, and that I feel unwell and need to go to the hospital. No further statements to be made until after I speak to my lawyer.
- KEEP MOUTH SHUT - There is no way I can fully understand everything that went on, and I could make incriminating statements without realising that what I am saying is not true.
ie He had a knife, lunged at me, I shot him. Tunnel vision and memory problems, I tell the cop I don't remember what kind of weapon, if any, he had. I just admitted to shooting an unarmed man... I hope they don't discount the knife at the scene based upon me not remembering a weapon.
January 6th, 2006 07:19 PM
Think its been nailed. Mouth shut, weapon holstered, call lawyer!
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January 6th, 2006 08:10 PM
Everything I've read or been taught says you should:
1. Call 911 to report shooting
2. tell arriving officer(s) that you were in fear for your life
3. you acted only to defend yourself
4. you prefer to talk to an attorney before saying anything else
5. keep your mouth shut until you speak to your lawyer
I'm assuming the BG is dead. If not, render assistance if possible.
January 7th, 2006 02:32 AM
The one thing I have not seen covered here is how to treat the crime scene. My only thoughts on that are don't screw with it.
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January 7th, 2006 06:44 AM
"Preserving the scene," its good if you can do it, but note being an LEO, you don't have the power to do so.
On the other hand, I suspect that by this point in time, by-standers would not likely want to argue with the guy holding the gun.
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