Long, rambling, disjointed, babbling rant about doctor's visit today while carrying

Long, rambling, disjointed, babbling rant about doctor's visit today while carrying

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    Long, rambling, disjointed, babbling rant about doctor's visit today while carrying

    Well, crap. Went to see my doctor today for my annual physical. She says I gained 15 pounds since last year. (Technically it was only about 10, but I didn't want to mention the other 5 pounds or so of metal and polymer.)

    Note: it is not against the law to carry in a doctor's office here in MO unless they are posted. Mine isn't.

    In the past, I've dusted off a mouse gun and a small revolver to carry during my appointment just to lessen the chances of being made. (I don't know my doctor's views on guns, but I suspect even gun talk may freak her out. She's a good doctor, so I don't want to take a chance on her knowing I carry in case she's a rabid anti.)

    But here recently I've been thinking I need to improve my carry practices. I often carry two guns in a Smartcarry due to NPE or quasi-NPE environments, but now that the weather is getting colder, it is slower to draw from underneath a couple layers of clothing. So I've starting carrying more OWB for my primary and pocket for my BUG under certain circumstances.

    I also think it's better to carry, when possible, my full-size primary rather than a dusty mouse gun that I haven't fired in several months. So today I wore my regular .45 and .357 in my Smartcarry.

    No big deal for the physical. I just bunched everything up under a chair.

    We get to the end and she says she wants to do an EKG, or some combination of letters like that, on me. Told me to get dressed up to my waist and someone would be in to hook me up.

    Once she leaves, I put on my pants with Smartcarry underneath. I've got black pants on (learned from DC how dark clothes can help hide stuff ). I've got the full-size mag in my XD-45, which isn't very noticeable partially also due to my baggy pants. However, I can see a slight bump from the grip near my right front pants pocket. Covering the bump with my keys doesn't work because the keys stick way out, so in order to draw attention away from that area, I hang my keys on a belt loop just left of my zipper. With my keys is my spitfire pepper spray dispenser, showing clear as day.

    Then this 20-something tech comes in and starts hooking me up. She tells me to lay flat on my back with my hands to my side, palms up. Then she reaches across my body, grabs my right hand to hook up a sensor, and makes firm contact with her wrist on the grip of my hidden .45.

    She didn't say a word about it. Nor about the TDI that is 6 inches from her, nor about my spray. Once she finished and started unhooking me, I quickly volunteered my right hand closer to her so she wouldn't get the chance to fondle my .45 again.

    Nary a word about nothing.

    Some don't carry into a doctor's office. That's fine. Some carry and your doctor is good with that. I'm jealous. I have been committed to carrying everywhere I legally can for a long time, even before last week's murder at a nearby medical facility my wife occasionally visits: (http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulle...workplace.html). But now I think it's time to up my skill and tactics a bit:

    I see the need to carry my full-size weapon every chance possible rather than trading it in for a mouse gun.

    I see the need to carry more OWB and pocket rather than buried deep, especially since I'm dressing heavier for the cold weather.

    I see the need to carry OWB at home whenever I have pants on, rather than leaving it in the Smartcarry as I've often done in the past.

    I see the need to carry my BUG in a pocket rather than Smartcarry whenever possible, again due to clothes, plus other stuff on my belt sometimes restricts my BUG draw.

    It's time I take my carrying practices up a notch. I've proven I can carry undetected when necessary. Now, under certain circumstances, I'm striving for the quickest possible access.

    I'm out running errands today, and the wife calls and wants to meet at a restaurant. I'm already dressed with OWB and pocket, so I head on over to meet her. The way I sit in the booth clearly shows the pocket panel of my Superfly holster that holds my SP-101, but nobody in the place even gives me a second look.

    Many of you all have been carrying this way for years, that is, in such a way that someone MIGHT possibly notice you carrying. I've been so focused on burying deep that this part is new to me.

    Back to my main point sort of, so the doc finishes by saying she wants me to get a stress test here in a couple weeks. Great. Now some more nurses get to see me several pounds overweight.

    Actually, the REAL reason for this post was to procrastinate long enough so I would run out of time to get on my elliptical machine tonight.

    Crap. I've got two choices: take the dang stress test and embarrass myself, or study for it and maybe lose a few pounds in the process.

    Dang it, I'm going to miss those pre-bedtime snacks. And the occasional buffet with my coworkers. And the occasional bag of almond M&N's. Okay, maybe not so occasional.

    I've got two weeks to study. Guess I'll dust off the elliptical. That's gonna cut into my DC reading time.

    I guess I've been irresponsible long enough with those late-night snacks. Wish I hadn't discovered how good soy milk and my favorite cereal tasted together. And I don't know if I can tolerate QT coffee without the creamersugarstuff I add.

    Okay, this rant is over. Guess I'd better see if I can find something resembling exercise clothes. I used to own some. I think they may still be around here somewhere, if the wife didn't give them to goodwill.


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    I wouldn't reholster until the entire visit is over.

    Try Smartcarry to your urologist's office.
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    Maybe she didn't mention anything because she didn't want to embarrass you. May have thought you were just happy to see her.


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    I am lucky; my doctor, who is also my Aviation Medical Examiner, is an avid gun enthusiast.
    He is also one of the very few doctors that I have seen that actually LISTEN to you and who can say "I don't know".
    A rare breed indeed. But they exist.
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    Hellva good rant there, Grady. It is always nice to watch a pro at work. Here in NC we don't have to bundle up in most places as much as y'all have to in MO unless you are fortunte enough to live in the higher mountain areas. I normally carry strong side and a pocket BUG. Summer is IWB time under a colored t-shirt. Winter is OWB under a insulated overshirt. Learned to get the covering garment one size larger than I normally wore prior to CC. If I have to use a heavier coat I break out the shoulder holster and either 357 or 1911, generally 1911. When I started my CC about 10 years ago, I worried constantly about being made. Our instructor stressed that "carrying concealed MEANT concealed", never mind that we are an open carry state. I soon discovered that most people do not notice or if they do see a bulge assume that it is a cell phone, PDA or something other than what it is. Too bad really, I wish sometimes that people were more observant, ahh well. Since then I have tended not to worry about it as much. Now I have not stopped making sure that I stay concealed. I still check myself out in the mirror for printing and I have continued to use movement and motions that reduce that chance that the weapon will be exposed.
    I scan others more and have spotted a few, mostly gangsta types with budges in odd places. In 10 years of CCiing I have only spotted two carriers that looked and acted civilian. I think that speaks well for us as a group.
    BTW what does NPE mean?

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    Cool

    I respect the sign of my Dr's office. No guns.

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    I looked around when I was at my new Dr's office last Friday; I went unarmed. No signs.

    I don't know how the Dr's would feel about them, and I don't ask in these situations.

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    Actually, the REAL reason for this post was to procrastinate long enough so I would run out of time to get on my elliptical machine tonight.

    Crap. I've got two choices: take the dang stress test and embarrass myself, or study for it and maybe lose a few pounds in the process.

    Dang it, I'm going to miss those pre-bedtime snacks. And the occasional buffet with my coworkers. And the occasional bag of almond M&N's. Okay, maybe not so occasional.

    I've got two weeks to study. Guess I'll dust off the elliptical. That's gonna cut into my DC reading time.

    I guess I've been irresponsible long enough with those late-night snacks. Wish I hadn't discovered how good soy milk and my favorite cereal tasted together. And I don't know if I can tolerate QT coffee without the creamersugarstuff I add.

    Okay, this rant is over. Guess I'd better see if I can find something resembling exercise clothes. I used to own some. I think they may still be around here somewhere, if the wife didn't give them to goodwill.
    Slow down the food intake, get on the elliptical and get in shape. Just think how much you'll improve your SA and your ability to seek cover and nuetralize any threats.
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    I carry at both the doctor's and dentist's office. Neither has mentioned a word about it and both have seen the weapon (had to strip to the waist in the DR's office and the hygienist's knee rubs up against the grip). Neither office is posted.
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    Grady, great description...you'll be just fine...stay healthy!

    My last doctor visit went smoothly...I really don't know how she feels about sidearms, and I don't ask. When the nurse asked me to step on the scale, I asked her to take off 5 lbs as I had some heavy stuff on my person. No questions asked and took off the five lbs.
    In the examination room (yearly physical), I just put my Kimber under my clothing...it wasn't moved.
    I tried to hide the rubber gloves, but she found them.

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    Grady. Don't get too excited or down. My stress tests are done with nuclear injections. I've had more than I can remember. Had my first cardiac bypass in 86. Second was Oct 07. You'll be fine regardless of your stress test. They tell me I've had four heart attacks since I was 36 and I will soon be 70.

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    Grady: Great post, thanks.

    This is mostly a comment about your health, not guns. Your doc saw something on your EKG that caused her to suggest the stress test. It might not be a good idea to use that eliptical machine now. You really don't need to "get in shape" or "practice" for a stress test. You aren't there to show them how good a marathon runner you are. They just need to get your heart rate up to a point at which any blockages would make themselves known. And if you have blockages you aren't aware of, working out on the eliptical machine might be a big mistake. At least call her and ask if it is OK to exercise at home ahead of the stress test.

    AND-- it is possible to get a stress test done without the running. There is something called a chemical stress test. It is not bad, unpleasant for about 30 seconds, but no running.

    And some advice. IF you have an abnormal stress test, ask if they might consider doing an echo-stress test before your agreeing to any cardiac catheterization exam. It will be the doc's decision, but you want to avoid the cath lab if possible, and sometimes a stress echo exam can clarify an ordinary stress test. (The cath lab isn't bad at all, but ....)

    By and large, none of this stuff is a big deal; really. Really!!!! It is a matter of being "cool" and keeping a sense of humor. So don't worry about any of it.

    As for the gun stuff, I think the big issue is being sure that they are placed in a safe way, not pointing at the personnel and secured in a good holster. Maybe, before entering the office, step into a restroom and remove the one in the pipe. You can always put it back as soon as the exam is over.

    I don't know my doc's attitude on guns. She did ask if I kept them in the house, but then quickly explained that she only asked because she wants to remind people to keep small children safe and away from the guns. Fair enough.

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    I told my doctor that I have pain in the elbow from shooting pistols, no problems sends to a specialist who used to be a target shooter at Bisley.

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    The last time I went to the doctor's office, I was wearing my PPS IWB. I undressed, he came in, did his thing and left, and I got redressed. He came back a couple minutes later and continued to go over me. He asked that I take off my shirt, so I told him that I had a legally concealed firearm. We ended up talking about CCW, and he seemed pretty interested.
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    I leave my gun in the car due to the procedures I have to go thru at my pain specialist's office,one procedure I have to strip and get in a gown then I am knocked out for several minutes while i get a spinal injection.There is no way I can control my gun under that situation,the other situation requires my midsection to be bared and they have seen my empty holster so they know I do carry
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