Good manners, or escalating the situation...?

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    Good manners, or escalating the situation...?

    In my class (I'm new to carrying) the instructor said, "many people when stopped by an officer in a traffic stop will hand them their permit with their license..." Sounds reasonable to me... no need to startle an officer. I asked a retired LEO what his views were and he said, "why make the guy nervous...? If you get pulled over, take your ticket and don't mention weapons unless he asks..."

    That surprised me. I am one of the GOOD GUYS and inclined to assist and cooperate with LEO in pretty much any circumstance. The last thing I want is to be drawn on or wrestled to the ground if a cop sees a glint of gunmetal blue under my shirt...

    So what's the right way to go...? Should I mention my Sig if I'm getting written up for a burnt-out tail lite...?
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    In Flordia it the law......you'd better.
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    depends on the state. Would seem from most post on this topic you are better to inform than not to.

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    I believe in handing over your permit along with the other documents so that there are no surprises for the officer.

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    This is really an individual thing. In my home states of NH and ME I will inform. Here in NY. nope. I take many things into account and location and "political climate" are two of them. I take steps so that my CCW wouldn't be exposed in the event of being stopped (Insurance and Registration in drivers side visor, license in front left pocket, etc) and that works for me. It may not work for you though. I've also heard more than one officer state that they don't care if you hand over a CCW or not since they will assume that every car has a gun in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldshellback View Post
    In Flordia it the law......you'd better.

    Really? I was told by a Florida LEO you're not required.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldshellback View Post
    In Flordia it the law......you'd better.
    I was not told that... and the retired LEO didn't say that...

    I'm tellin' ya... my class was pretty poor. The instructor was nice and personable and obviously knowlegable, but he seemed like he was "phoning it in"... even I can see that I need greater training before I start walking around with this death dispenser...
    "Who is to say that I am not an instrument of karma? Indeed, who is to say that I am not the very hand of God himself, dispatched by the Almighty to smite the Philistines and hypocrites, to lay low the dishonest and corrupt, and to bust the jawbone of some jackass that so desperately deserves it?"

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    I think the reaction greatly differs from officer to officer, even within the same city or state. I'm of the school of thought that more information up front is best. I'd rather the officer know I have a weapon right away, even if it makes him slightly uneasy, than to have him find it on me before he asks if I have a permit. Being friendly, curteous and up front about things seems like a good idea... but then again, we've seen stories here where the LEO totally overracts once informed. So... yeah

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    In Texas you have to and besides its just good sense to tell him and let him decide how he wants to handle it,we all just want to go home safe every day.sj

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldshellback View Post
    In Flordia it the law......you'd better.
    Not according to Gutmacher's book, Florida Firearms.

    He actually recommends you do not mention it.

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    Zach sez...

    He actually recommends you do not mention it.
    My head hurts...
    "Who is to say that I am not an instrument of karma? Indeed, who is to say that I am not the very hand of God himself, dispatched by the Almighty to smite the Philistines and hypocrites, to lay low the dishonest and corrupt, and to bust the jawbone of some jackass that so desperately deserves it?"

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    your not required to here in KY, so i wont. i have a few buddies here at the local PD, and SO so quite a few of them no i carry anyways
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    First of all it will depend on the state your in whether you are required to inform. Make sure you know what the law is in the state your traveling in is.

    Even in states that do not require you notify I will go ahead and notify the officer. In Virginia your permit is linked to your vehicle tags, so if your pulled over they already know you have a permit before they approach you. Might as well go ahead and tell them you are carrying.
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    As noted by others it is the law in select states (though not my own).
    I too as a mandatory means of action for myself will hand over my state applicable license to the officer _at_ the time that he asks for my ID. I will not though do so unless he specifically asks for identification.

    In doing so across two states (VA and MA) and IIRC 6 LEO interactions not once have I had a LEO react negatively. Not to say it can't happen though.
    I run with this mode for myself as a default so that up front there are no surprises to appear in the relationship between myself and the LEO. Further I do so by default so that I don't have to question myself toward is it required or not in the given state where I might be. Further I do so because I want the officer to know, upfront, that even as I am armed I am by letting him know so up front am not in mindset a person who wishes to cause him harm.
    Key for me in my boots is to keep the LEO as comfortable as is possible so that I might be allowed to go on about my day/travels without undue issue.

    If the LEOs reaction had turned out to be negative as in OMG YOUUUU GOT A GAT!!! Then I would continue to remain clam as I had prior, cease all physical motion, and speak only when spoken to and to do so in short statements of 'Yes Sir', 'No Sir', and 'I do not know, Sir'.

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    Florida is a not required to notify state.
    However I travel a lot. The rules change almost every state I travel.
    My MO is to hand the LEO my CCW with my D/L.
    I've never had a problem when notifying even if I don't have to.

    Never gotten a ticket either.

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