Carrying in AZ

Carrying in AZ

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    Carrying in AZ

    Hey friends,
    I have just taken my CWP training in SC and am planning a 2 week trip to AZ. Golf, lots of hiking and exploring, sometimes in National and State parks. Have been thinking of transporting my Sig P232 and carrying concealed. Does anyone have advice on whether I should check the weapon at the airport or avoid the whole airport scene using FedEx to get the gun out there and back.
    Thanks and be safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drs1457 View Post
    Hey friends,
    I have just taken my CWP training in SC and am planning a 2 week trip to AZ. Golf, lots of hiking and exploring, sometimes in National and State parks. Have been thinking of transporting my Sig P232 and carrying concealed. Does anyone have advice on whether I should check the weapon at the airport or avoid the whole airport scene using FedEx to get the gun out there and back.
    Thanks and be safe.
    DRS
    Make sure any ammo you take is in the box with the gun, and in it's original packaging. I would not ffl to fll it, I would take it as the second bag in your checked luggage. Make sure it is a touch case that can be locked

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    Buy ammo when you get here. Shipping it to an FFL will cost you $80 to FedEx, and around $30 for FFL fees. Then it will cost you the same to send it back home. I've never had an issue checking a handgun, but we read about problems occasionally.

    With all the winter visitors coming to Arizona, maybe I should start up a Handgun Rental company...
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    Too Much liability, sounds cool but imagine the potential law suits
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    Quote Originally Posted by mi2az View Post
    Too Much liability, sounds cool but imagine the potential law suits
    I do not understand the thought process behind this post.

    If the state you are flying to has reciprocity, and you read up on their local laws concerning cc, how is there any more liability than in your home state?

    It is not illegal to fly with your firearm, and ammo, so long as they are checked, and in a lockable airline approved case. The firearm must be unloaded, but the ammo can be in the same box with the gun as long as it is in it's original packaging (doesnt have to be new, doesn't even have to be a full box, just the ammo mfg's original packaging).

    I travel all over the country and do this everytime I leave home (unless I am headed to dc, or ny, etc). Where is the major concern? Heck the gun comes out the same way the est of your checked luggage does.

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    I think he was talking about my rent-a-gun proposal...
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    I have flown with firearms several times over the past year and never had an issue putting it or ammo in checked baggage. Go to the airline's website to make sure that don't have any special requirements. Then review the TSA rules at
    TSA: Traveling with Special Items

    These days I recommend bringing your own SD ammo, i have had a hard time getting good 124 & 147 gr in both Tucson and Phoenix.

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    +1 on Checking on the flight.
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    Oh great. Another snowbird.
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    With all the winter visitors coming to Arizona, maybe I should start up a Handgun Rental company...
    The proposed base of customers would be quite large

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    I miss living in AZ.. Payson and Yuma were both execellent.
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    I've flown Phoenix to Houston a few times with a gun - no problems at all. AZ is very gun-friendly. Remember, however, that at the current time you CAN NOT carry legally in a National Park. You'll have to unload and store the gun in the trunk to be legal.
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    I wrote up some advice a couple of years ago on this subject. Links may have changed since then, but here goes:

    I do this regularly. It has gotten a bit more difficult with the addition of checked baggage screening by the TSA, but here are my tips (worth every cent you paid for them):
    1) Carry documentation: Get a paper copy of the relevant airline's "firearms in checked baggage" policy, as well as the TSA policies, and carry it on your person when checking in. If there is a partner airline involved and you will be boarding the initial leg (either direction) on that airline, carry their rules as well. You can see the TSA policies at: TSA | Transportation Security Administration I used to carry the FAA policies, but haven't found them on the web lately. You can usually print the airline's policy from their website. If the policy appears too brief in the website, it is worth inquiring at a ticket counter and asking them to print their full policy out of the ticketing system. This is too late when you are already checking in, particularly if you are getting hassled by the ticket agent. Plan ahead and get this copy during another trip through the airport.

    2) Avoid Northwest Airlines, especially in Detroit. Recent personal experience indicates that they are incompetent, dangerous, and don't know their own rules.

    3) Ammo: Per the FAA/TSA regulations (they were more complete on the old FAA website which I can no longer find), you may carry a small amount of ammunition "for personal use". The old FAA site specified this as 11 Lbs, but the new TSA site does not specify. The FAA site required that the ammo be in either "factory packaging" or magazines. The new TSA site requires that ammo be in "fiber, wood or metal boxes, or other packaging specifically designed to carry small amounts of ammunition." Most airlines have based their written rules on the old FAA rules (including acceptance of ammo in magazines, as long as the mag is not in the pistol). The TSA employees seem to interpret the new rules as allowing only factory-type ammo boxes. I have NEVER seen a rule requiring that the ammo be in a separate case from the firearm, but many ticket agents (and some TSA employees) believe that it is a rule. Some airlines specifically note in their rules that it IS allowed.

    4) Cases: The rules require that the firearm be in a locked hard-sided container, which could either be hard-sided luggage or a hard gun case within soft-sided luggage. I can't remember if it was in the old FAA rules or in a specific airline's, but there used to be a rule that the soft-sided luggage containing the hard case must also be locked.


    5) At the counter: Most obvious thing is to make sure it is unloaded BEFORE you get to the airport. When you get to the ticket counter (must be an inside counter rather than remote or curbside check-in), first thing is to discretely ask for a declaration card for firearms in checked baggage. They may screw up and hand you a form for carrying firearms on your person. Make sure that it is a small card indicating that it is for checked baggage. Some airlines (e.g., Northwest) require the ticket agent to initial the card. Some agents have interpreted this to mean that they must physically check themselves that the firearm is unloaded (handling the firearm). I have NEVER seen airline rules which allow this, and most (including Northwest) specifically prohibit their employees from handling the firearms. If someone insists on handling the firearms, I take out the printed rules and ask them to read them and call in their supervisor if there is still any question. If they get insistent, I usually flip over my license and show them my NRA instructor certification card, and ask them what certification they have for firearms training. Always remain polite and composed, and start writing down details and names if you are getting hassled (it seems to remind them that they may be held accountable). Some agents will insist that the ammo must be in a separate suitcase (false, and I ask them to please show me a written rule), and some will also insist that there can be no more than one firearm per case (also false, and usually specified to the contrary in the airline's policy). According to the old FAA rules, the declaration card was specifically required to be placed within the "locked hard-sided case" with the firearm. It also specified that there be no external indication on the case or suitcase that it contained a firearm. While the TSA rules are much more brief, the airline rules are usually based on the FAA rules. I always refuse to allow them to put the tag on the outside (obvious "STEAL ME" sign), and sometimes have to argue with them about putting it within the hard gun case.

    6) After check-in: Depending on the airport, you will likely be required to accompany the suitcase to the TSA screening (be sure to budget an extra 15 minutes for this step when arriving at the airport). They will usually have you remain just outside of their screening area, and have you hand them the keys to your suitcase and gun case when they get to it. If the airport is set up where you carry your checked bags from the ticket counter to the TSA station, be sure to inform the TSA that your case contains declared firearms. Some TSA people claim that the shift supervisor must be present when they pass a firearm through, so there may be extra delay while they get him out of the donut shop. This delay is usually spent with all the TSA people crowding around the X-ray screen, trying to guess where the firearm is in the case.

    7) Carry printouts of the relevant CCW laws at all destinations. Many LEOs are ignorant of the actual laws of their own state, so it is good to have your own reference.

    8) Carry a copy of the sales receipt for your firearm with you, particularly if traveling into borderline communist territory.

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    I just returned from a Mid West tour yesterday

    I flew out of Orlando, to Phoenix and the Orlando ticket agent for US Airlines was very friendly, and cooperative. The only contriving of opinion is I carried a hard pistol case, inside my soft side luggage.

    The ticket agent asked me to open the firearm case, and place the card inside the hard case. She then walked me over to TSA and advised them there was a “declared” firearm inside this bag. The TSA agent asked me for the key to the soft side suitcase, and opened it. Upon inspecting the hard firearm case, he asked where the declaration card was?



    I informed him it was inside the hard case as instructed by the ticket agent. He resounded with its only suppose to be inside if the hard case is not inside another case. The declaration card should be outside the hard case if it’s inside another suit case. He then said good enough this time, and passed my case.


    When I returned home, the ticket agent advised me to place the card inside the hard case again. This time I told her what the TSA agent said, and she said something sarcastic, and said “ok” then do it your way. So I placed it on top of my hard firearm case.


    Long story short; There is NO reason not to take your pistol with you. As to ammo TSA and US Airlines both asked if I was carrying less than 11-lbs of ammo. To which I answered yes, and they never inspected it.

    I carried one box of ammo in its original box, with a rubber band around it to make sure it did not pop open in flight.

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