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#1 ·
I'm involved in a peaceful argument on another forum regarding how unrealistic and unconstitutional it would be to remove all guns from the USA. I also expressed that I feel that people who haven't ever fired a gun should because it is highly enjoyable for many. I recieved a response genuinly asking what is so enjoyable.

So what do you all think? What is the most enjoyable part of practice shooting and gun ownership?

Thanks
 
#3 ·
What is so enjoyable about throwing balls around and putting in a basket, end of a grass field, down into a little hole or throwing them on smooth wooden surface to knock down some stuff.

So to each his own on what people enjoy. If all guns are removed, only people that will have them are the people that will not follow that rule. We are not taking pigskins away, cars away or cigarettes away because they are hurting or killing people. Why take guns away.... (you can tell them that)

Answer: ability to control your body to be able to use a tool precisely just like practicing my swing to aim that little white dented ball with a long expensive stick.
 
#9 ·
What is so enjoyable about throwing balls around and putting in a basket, end of a grass field, down into a little hole or throwing them on smooth wooden surface to knock down some stuff.
Agree 100%. It's a sport, a hobby. What makes the above enjoyable to some people is the exact same thing that makes target shooting fun to others. Except mastering shooting can have an actual real world benefit that the others can't hope to match.
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#5 ·
Enjoying something is an emotion.
Emotions cannot be explained.
Can you explain why is love enjoyable :image035:
 
#6 ·
Mastering the skill involved. No different that hitting a home run, skiing, playing golf, etc.
 
#7 ·
What do I like about shooting? It is a hobby like all other hobbies. It relaxes me, I am so centered on what I am doing that I forget about all the troubles of the work day. Concentrating on safety, stance, even down to controlling my breath. A challenge, trying to better my score with every round fired. Not to mention sneaking a peek at my friends target in the next lane making sure I have a tighter group than him. So that would mean a little competition. I enjoy all the research on equipment,ballasitics, etc. I meet people whom at least have one thing in common with myself. That usually leads to great conversations about lots of other things.
Why would any one get any injoyment out of beating a little white ball all around a freshly mown cow pasture?
 
#10 ·
I'm involved in a peaceful argument on another forum regarding how unrealistic and unconstitutional it would be to remove all guns from the USA. I also expressed that I feel that people who haven't ever fired a gun should because it is highly enjoyable for many. I received a response genuinely asking what is so enjoyable.

So what do you all think? What is the most enjoyable part of practice shooting and gun ownership?

Thanks
I agree with some of the rest...you don't seem to have the right chemistry there.
how unrealistic and unconstitutional it would be to remove all guns from the USA
Somehow that doesn't seem like it would become a peaceful argument. For one, arguments are not peaceful......otherwise, they would not be arguments. I think you've gone off in the wrong direction for backing the 2nd amendment actually. Most people are not involved with, or ever contemplated what we do or how we do it. What's so enjoyable? To me....nothing really....it's not a game or hobby for me, it's a way of life. Those knuckleheads could never come close to understanding something like that.
 
#11 ·
The human being has a limit of what he or she can do physically. Our reach is literally determined by the extreme of our fingers and toes. All cultures in Humanity have at least one god that was able to make its presence known and felt by the accurate casting of something: bolts of lightning, flaming spears, hammers, etc. Here comes the gunpowder and a tube with a little piece of metal inside that breaks the barriers of our reach and projects our dominance far far out there. It is a rush that we get to manipulate and control that loud thunderclap and see the bolt impact where we want it, may it be a bulls eye or that enemy that threatens us. It is alchemy & mythology for the common man.
 
#19 ·
Well written and spot on. Shooting is an empowering sport and for some "office drones" it's the closest they'll ever get to instant gratification based on a physical activity.

Point, Pull, Pleasure.

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#12 ·
So what do you all think? What is the most enjoyable part of practice shooting and gun ownership?

Thanks
What's so enjoyable about video games? What's so enjoyable about crossword puzzles? What's so enjoyable about running marathons? What's so enjoyable about ham radio? What's so enjoyable about cross-stitch? What's so enjoyable about basketball?

It's a rhetorical question. Each of those things tests or exercizes human ability in different ways and different sorts of people enjoy them. I enjoy Ham Radio, but my wife just doesn't understand at all. I frequently find myself at a loss for words in trying to quantify it to her WHY I like it. I can't explain, I just do.

I know some people enjoy cross stitch. However, I'm not likely to seriously ask, "what's so enjoyable about cross stitch?" because that's rude and demeaning and intended to belittle that persons hobby.

Shooting is like that. It's an accuracy game. It's as enjoyable as playing darts (also an accuracy game), or tennis (another accuracy game). I couldn't explain any better than that. Other forms of shooting are olympic sports -- skeet (LOTS of fun) and marksmanship as is the biathlon, which couples marksmanship with physical ability. Paintball is an incredibly popular sport that has been in consideration for inclusion into the olympics. Cowboy shooting is an art form that can entertain crowds to no end. There's even artwork created by shooting pictures into copper sheets that used to be very popular in western themed fine art shops in Wyoming and Colorado.

I guess the bigger question is... what's not to like?
 
#13 ·
I derive pleasure from shooting on a couple of levels. First there is the on going challenge of trying to handload the incredibly consistent ammo that you need to shoot incredibly small groups at incredibly long ranges. Then there is the mastery of ones self, breathing, muscle tremors etc. that is required on the firing line to make those shots. There is the also the need to tune into nature, to judge the wind properly. When it all comes together it is very satisfying.

On the other hand it is just down right fun to make cans dance!
 
#14 ·
And how could I forget Zen Archery? What MCP1810 described above, he practices it, only using a gun instead of a bow. Here's a quote from "Zen in the art of archery"

"The archer ceases to be conscious of himself as the one who is engaged in hitting the bull's-eye which confronts him. This state of unconscious is realized only when, completely empty and rid of the self, he becomes one with the perfecting of his technical skill, though there is in it something of a quite different order which cannot be attained by any progressive study of the art..."
 
#15 ·
It is a challenge, just like golf, bowling, archery. You learn a technique and hone it to develop a skill.

Another aspect is that it is fun to have what amounts to a small cannon explode in your hand and destroy your target - it is a very powerful thing and it does give you a rush of adrenaline.

Lastly, and this only applies to a few who can handle the responsibility, it is an option to save your life and possibly the lives of others in an extreme situation or peril. I wouldn't look down on someone for not taking that responsibility, so this point may be a hard sell for those people.
 
#16 ·
+1 on all the other replies.
As to realistic, the UK, an island the size of Oregon, hasn't been able to do it despite trying for over 6 decades. How is the US supposed to? It's like the US trying to end/control internet porn - the very thought completely ignores the fact the rest of the world exists.
 
#17 ·
Everybody has different things that they like and don't like.
Some things need to be tried (and some not ever tried) in order for a person to know if they will derive some enjoyment from it or not.

I don't know if I would love Hang Gliding or not and I sure would like to try it some day to see if I would love it. I would enjoy finding that out.

I KNOW (in advance) that I could never get any satisfaction at all from say....Button Collecting...so I have absolutely no desire to ever even attempt to collect buttons.

But, I would never stop anybody else from collecting them.

Accept the fact that some people will never understand how anybody can actually enjoy shooting a firearm.

Some folks will never even want to try shooting a gun - exactly the same way that I would never even want to try collecting buttons. I would never even consider starting a button collection.
And if a friend that passionately collected buttons said:
"At Least Try It!...Come To Just One Button Collecting Convention!"

I would tell that person to pound salt.
 
#22 ·
In many respects, it's a matter of competition. You can compete with someone else, or compete with yourself to improve your marksmanship. It's the constant improvement thing. I recently shot a .22lr NRA 25 yard course - not competing with anyone but myself. I could constantly hit the bull. So, my competition was to make the hole in the bull smaller and show black around the hole. Then to completely take the bull out without disturbing the 10 ring. I probably "killed" 20 targets and went through a 550 round box of ammo (shooting a Winchester 62A). It was fun, and gave me a sense of pride to be able to improve my marksmanship. That's also the enjoyable part of being a 4-H Shooting Sports instructor. You can pass on that sense of accomplishment and pride to the kids. They start out being able to hit an 8.5 x 11 piece of paper at 10 feet with an air rifle and eventually graduate to rim and center fire. And I've yet to have a kid tell me that it wasn't fun and enjoyable. I've also had some parents who never fired a gun get involved and start shooting.

Sorry for the soliloquy. But if you pass this on to some of your non-shooting friends and emphasize kids learning life skills through shooting sports, you might find the the conversion is pretty easy.
 
#23 ·
Buttons don't kill people...
I was somewhat concerned about the buttons on my shirt right after I ate Thanksgiving dinnner. They were so tight that if any of them would would have busted off my shirt, the force probably would have projected it right through the wall and into the yard. Anyone standing in the way would have been instantly killed.

So I did the right thing and spared the lives of my loved ones. I took the shirt off. That just left my Tshirt....not near as dangerous.

Its part of the situational awarness that we all talk about. You have to think of these things.
 
#24 ·
I know people that drool over an unopened box containing a toy from the 40's or an old tin sleeve that once contained a few condoms from the early 1900's.

I get the same pleasure out of owning a well made pistol and I have more fun getting to use it.

Whatever floats your boat...
bosco
 
#25 ·
Shooting is like any other individual sport, your putting your skills and capabilities to the test. The enjoyment comes from the ability to, at least for one day, master the objective.

how unrealistic and unconstitutional it would be to remove all guns from the USA
The 2A enumerates your right to keep and bear arms. So without a repealing of the 2A it is completely unconstitutional. The thought that you could remove ALL is even less realistic than the possibility of getting the 2A repealed.
 
#28 ·
It's just something I enjoy doing and keeps me active and always learning new things - like Ham Radio, Coin Collecting, and working on my '55 Chevy. It is also something that may one day save my life or those of my family unlike my other interests. My wife always tells me I have too many expensive hobbies.
 
#30 ·
ive given up on arguing with people who have the "all guns are bad" mentality. if they dont like them, they just dont like them. It will most likely take something tragic happening to them or someone close to change there ways
 
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