Help me out with argument!

Help me out with argument!

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    Help me out with argument!

    I'm involved in a peaceful argument on another forum regarding how unrealistic and unconstitutional it would be to remove all guns from the USA. I also expressed that I feel that people who haven't ever fired a gun should because it is highly enjoyable for many. I recieved a response genuinly asking what is so enjoyable.

    So what do you all think? What is the most enjoyable part of practice shooting and gun ownership?

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    What is so enjoyable about throwing balls around and putting in a basket, end of a grass field, down into a little hole or throwing them on smooth wooden surface to knock down some stuff.

    So to each his own on what people enjoy. If all guns are removed, only people that will have them are the people that will not follow that rule. We are not taking pigskins away, cars away or cigarettes away because they are hurting or killing people. Why take guns away.... (you can tell them that)

    Answer: ability to control your body to be able to use a tool precisely just like practicing my swing to aim that little white dented ball with a long expensive stick.
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    Isn't that a bit like people who ask why one likes fast cars?

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    Mastering the skill involved. No different that hitting a home run, skiing, playing golf, etc.

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    What do I like about shooting? It is a hobby like all other hobbies. It relaxes me, I am so centered on what I am doing that I forget about all the troubles of the work day. Concentrating on safety, stance, even down to controlling my breath. A challenge, trying to better my score with every round fired. Not to mention sneaking a peek at my friends target in the next lane making sure I have a tighter group than him. So that would mean a little competition. I enjoy all the research on equipment,ballasitics, etc. I meet people whom at least have one thing in common with myself. That usually leads to great conversations about lots of other things.
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    WOW! this forum is great. Such fast responses! Thank you for your input so far!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solidgun View Post
    What is so enjoyable about throwing balls around and putting in a basket, end of a grass field, down into a little hole or throwing them on smooth wooden surface to knock down some stuff.
    Agree 100%. It's a sport, a hobby. What makes the above enjoyable to some people is the exact same thing that makes target shooting fun to others. Except mastering shooting can have an actual real world benefit that the others can't hope to match.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chemistry08 View Post
    I'm involved in a peaceful argument on another forum regarding how unrealistic and unconstitutional it would be to remove all guns from the USA. I also expressed that I feel that people who haven't ever fired a gun should because it is highly enjoyable for many. I received a response genuinely asking what is so enjoyable.

    So what do you all think? What is the most enjoyable part of practice shooting and gun ownership?

    Thanks
    I agree with some of the rest...you don't seem to have the right chemistry there.
    how unrealistic and unconstitutional it would be to remove all guns from the USA
    Somehow that doesn't seem like it would become a peaceful argument. For one, arguments are not peaceful......otherwise, they would not be arguments. I think you've gone off in the wrong direction for backing the 2nd amendment actually. Most people are not involved with, or ever contemplated what we do or how we do it. What's so enjoyable? To me....nothing really....it's not a game or hobby for me, it's a way of life. Those knuckleheads could never come close to understanding something like that.

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    The human being has a limit of what he or she can do physically. Our reach is literally determined by the extreme of our fingers and toes. All cultures in Humanity have at least one god that was able to make its presence known and felt by the accurate casting of something: bolts of lightning, flaming spears, hammers, etc. Here comes the gunpowder and a tube with a little piece of metal inside that breaks the barriers of our reach and projects our dominance far far out there. It is a rush that we get to manipulate and control that loud thunderclap and see the bolt impact where we want it, may it be a bulls eye or that enemy that threatens us. It is alchemy & mythology for the common man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chemistry08 View Post

    So what do you all think? What is the most enjoyable part of practice shooting and gun ownership?

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    What's so enjoyable about video games? What's so enjoyable about crossword puzzles? What's so enjoyable about running marathons? What's so enjoyable about ham radio? What's so enjoyable about cross-stitch? What's so enjoyable about basketball?

    It's a rhetorical question. Each of those things tests or exercizes human ability in different ways and different sorts of people enjoy them. I enjoy Ham Radio, but my wife just doesn't understand at all. I frequently find myself at a loss for words in trying to quantify it to her WHY I like it. I can't explain, I just do.

    I know some people enjoy cross stitch. However, I'm not likely to seriously ask, "what's so enjoyable about cross stitch?" because that's rude and demeaning and intended to belittle that persons hobby.

    Shooting is like that. It's an accuracy game. It's as enjoyable as playing darts (also an accuracy game), or tennis (another accuracy game). I couldn't explain any better than that. Other forms of shooting are olympic sports -- skeet (LOTS of fun) and marksmanship as is the biathlon, which couples marksmanship with physical ability. Paintball is an incredibly popular sport that has been in consideration for inclusion into the olympics. Cowboy shooting is an art form that can entertain crowds to no end. There's even artwork created by shooting pictures into copper sheets that used to be very popular in western themed fine art shops in Wyoming and Colorado.

    I guess the bigger question is... what's not to like?
    The facts are indisputable. There is more data supporting the benefits of Conceal Carry than there is supporting global warming. If you choose ignorance, in light of all the evidence, in order to bolster your irrational fear of guns, you are a greater threat to society than any gun owner.

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    I derive pleasure from shooting on a couple of levels. First there is the on going challenge of trying to handload the incredibly consistent ammo that you need to shoot incredibly small groups at incredibly long ranges. Then there is the mastery of ones self, breathing, muscle tremors etc. that is required on the firing line to make those shots. There is the also the need to tune into nature, to judge the wind properly. When it all comes together it is very satisfying.

    On the other hand it is just down right fun to make cans dance!
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    And how could I forget Zen Archery? What MCP1810 described above, he practices it, only using a gun instead of a bow. Here's a quote from "Zen in the art of archery"

    "The archer ceases to be conscious of himself as the one who is engaged in hitting the bull's-eye which confronts him. This state of unconscious is realized only when, completely empty and rid of the self, he becomes one with the perfecting of his technical skill, though there is in it something of a quite different order which cannot be attained by any progressive study of the art..."
    The facts are indisputable. There is more data supporting the benefits of Conceal Carry than there is supporting global warming. If you choose ignorance, in light of all the evidence, in order to bolster your irrational fear of guns, you are a greater threat to society than any gun owner.

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    It is a challenge, just like golf, bowling, archery. You learn a technique and hone it to develop a skill.

    Another aspect is that it is fun to have what amounts to a small cannon explode in your hand and destroy your target - it is a very powerful thing and it does give you a rush of adrenaline.

    Lastly, and this only applies to a few who can handle the responsibility, it is an option to save your life and possibly the lives of others in an extreme situation or peril. I wouldn't look down on someone for not taking that responsibility, so this point may be a hard sell for those people.

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