Travel Experience with American Airlines

Travel Experience with American Airlines

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    Different airports handle the declaration and identification of unloaded weapons differently. You must declare or you may be in deep doodoo.

    1. They will 100% of the time verify the weapon is unloaded.
    2. You will have to sign and date a card that is slipped inside with the weapon.
    3. The first airport they had me place the card outside the locked hard sided container but in the bag on top of it.
    4. The 2nd airport (return flight) had me place the card INSIDE the locked hard sided container, which was inside my luggage. I was trying to object since I thought the card should have remained outside since the hard sided container would be locked without their ability to inspect. The nice lady informed me that they do it differently at different airports. She said they look for the existence of the card in the X-Ray. That likely means that when they x-ray your checked luggage if they see a weapon without a card verifying it is unloaded they will pull your bag.

    It felt a little funny at the first airport when they had me open the action so they could see the weapon was not loaded with other passengers behind me and this in plain sight. Any second I was expecting someone to yell out "He's got a gun!". So at the 2nd airport I left the action locked in the open position and did not have to handle the firearm.

    I did follow the airline rules and had my ammo in its original packaging, (outside of the magazine). This was my only real beef; I really wish they would allow keeping the rounds in the mags so it would be easier to load up after being re-united with my weapon.
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    I am flying American to Alaska next year, via Dallas. Was there any significant delay over and above the regular baggage check process?

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    If problems are encountered...ask for a supervisor...and...keep a copy of the TSA rules on your person for a quick reference.
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    Sounds like all in all, you had a relatively easy experience with it. There have been some horror stories. I know it's a long read, but you might want to look this story over:
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    February 11, 2007

    RE: Joyce Deutsch

    On the afternoon of February 11th I was traveling by truck to the Albany New York Airport to return home to Evansville Indiana where I have resided for the past 43 years. My luggage consisted to three checked items. Two suitcases contained by clothing and personal items and one case contained my personal inoperable firearm a Kimber Ultra Raptor 45 caliber pistol. During the trip to the airport the firearm was securely double locked within a metal Winchester case with the empty magazine located in one piece of clothing luggage. The ammunition was located in the other clothing luggage still in the packaging it was purchased in.

    The firearm was threaded through with a steel locking mechanism that ran through the magazine holder up through the barrel and locked into a metal lock that required a key and two hands to unlock. See the attached photo for an example of the type of locking mechanism utilized. The firearm was then secured with two combination locks on the outside of the case a required by Delta Airlines when checking a firearm for baggage transport. See photograph of the case with the locks in place.

    Upon arrival at the airport my luggage was unloaded by myself and my friend and carried into the ticketing counter. We both waited in line with the luggage to check it at the counter before I went through airport security to the boarding area. We were served by a new ticket agent who was Chinese I believe. She was being assisted by another Northwestern ticket agent.

    I provided by credit card for verification of my flight. See the attached flight itinerary. Also see the previous two itineraries for trips through the Albany New York airport undertaken in late 2006. I followed the same procedure through both of the previous trips that I always follow when traveling with my firearm.

    At the ticket counter I declared two pieces of luggage and a firearm. At that point the ticket agent asked me to open the metal case and she requested that a TSA officer come over to view and verify that the firearm was inoperable.

    On previous trips the TSA officer would visually inspect the firearm and approve its safety status and I would sign an orange ticket verifying the firearm was unloaded. The orange ticket would be placed inside the case. I would then proceed to relock the combination locks on the outside of the case and the case would be turned over to the baggage handlers for transport. On previous trips I would then proceed with my carryon and purse to the security check point and on to my boarding area.

    On February 11th two Albany county deputy sheriffs came to the counter to view the inoperable firearm. The officer questioned me at the ticket counter. "Why do you have a gun?" "What is the purpose of you having a gun?" "Is that your gun?" "Where did you purchase the gun?" "Do you have a permit for a handgun?" "Where are you traveling to?" "Have you traveled with a gun before?" I answered each question as it was asked.

    Why do you have a gun?- "for personal protection" What is the purpose of you having a gun?- "I am widow, I live alone and travel quite a bit as part of my profession and for teaching purposes. I find myself staying in various cities alone in hotels and traveling to and from various places of business during the evening hours alone." Is that your gun? "Yes it is my firearm. I purchased it through our local dealer in 2005." Where did you purchase the gun? "In Evansville Indiana at the Strictly Shooting Gun Shop." Do you have a permit to carry a gun? "Yes, I obtained a permit in the fall of 2005 at the recommendation of my son who is also a police officer." At this point in the conversation I produced my gun permit and showed it to the officer.

    Where are you traveling to? "Evansville Indiana" Have you traveled with a gun before? "Yes I have and have followed all required airline regulations on each trip and have been approved by the personnel at each airport that I have traveled through including Albany on the previous two occasions that I had flights here."

    At this point in the conversation the case was closed by the other officer and taken away. The officer who had been asking me questions asked me to accompany him to another area so he could get some additional information. My friend took my carry on and followed me as we were led upstairs to a private office area. At no time was I aware that I was being arrested.

    My thoughts were that the officer was checking the registration of my firearm to verify that it was not stolen and that I did indeed have a permit. Upon arrival in the small office area my friend was asked to wait in the hallway as I was led to another small office in the back of area. I was asked to have a seat while the officer checked some information in another room.

    I sat for about 10 minutes in this office. During this time the officer returned several times to ask me what time my flight was and said he was attempting to get the needed information as soon as possible so as not to cause me to miss my flight. Both officers were courteous to me during this time.

    The officer who had asked me questions at the ticket counter returned and sat down after about 10 minutes. At that point he pulled a piece of paper from the right hand drawer and began to ask me demographic questions, such as what is your home address, what is your phone number, your date of birth, your height, your age and your weight, the color of your eyes, etc. I answered each question as it was asked. At this point the second officer came into the room with my carryon and said that my friend has to go to the bathroom and would be returning. The second officer said at that point "Does she know you are arresting her?"

    I was stunned! "Excuse me?" I said. Thinking it was perhaps said in a joking way. The second officer repeated to me "you are being arrested for possession of a weapon." Again I said "Excuse me, did I hear you correctly?" "You are arresting me for declaring an inoperable fire arm on my way back to the state I live in?" He said that was correct.

    I asked "how can you do that since I was not attempting to conceal the firearm and openly declared it for baggage handling as I have done on two previous occasions?" The first officer asked me if I had a permit to carry a firearm in New York State. I answered "no sir, I do not live here and only pass through this airport because I am going somewhere else." "I have never applied for a permit since I do not live in your state or carry the firearm during the trip to the airport or in the airport."

    The first officer said that on the two previous occasions I should have been arrested for criminal possession of a weapon since I was not licensed to carry a firearm in New York. I shared with the officer that I was not "carrying a firearm in New York" I was attempting to check the inoperable firearm as baggage to be transported home with me.

    At that point I was fingerprinted three times and had my photo taken while holding a number under my chin. The officer asked me if I had $100.00 on my person to post bail. I said yes I did have cash with me. The officer said that he was not allowed to complete paperwork for bail release and he had contacted his lieutenant to come into the office and complete the paperwork so I could be released to catch my flight.

    The officer said to me at that point that the firearm would kept by the county sheriff. I asked if the firearm would be returned or mailed to me. The officer said the firearm would most likely not be returned to me but would be destroyed by the state. He did offer that if the firearm were to be returned to me that it could only be shipped to a licensed dealer. I offered the name and address of my local gun shop, however he did not write the information down.

    I waited again for the lieutenant to arrive and complete the paperwork. When the lieutenant arrived I again provided demographic information and he asked if I understood I was to appear in court on March 7 in Colonie New York. I shared with him that I would indeed return for the court date and shared that I had the most respect for the dangerous work involved in the law enforcement profession. I shared that my son ( I have only one child) had been a police officer in Columbus Indiana and was a volunteer deputy sheriff for Posey County Indiana.

    At that point the lieutenant left the room and went to the back office and I could hear him asking the first officer "Did she tell you her son was a police officer?" The officer said "no she did not." The lieutenant returned and continued to write up the bail sheet and court date. I provided $100.00 in cash and was escorted back to the security check in point.

    At the check in point I took off my shoes and put my belt, cell phone, purse and carryon luggage in the plastic buckets and sent them through the scanner. I went through the human scanner and it started beeping. I was asked to step to the side. A female TSA officer came over and scanned me with a wand. She then asked for another female TSA officer to assist her with a private scanning and I was taken to another empty room. I was patted up and down including my head and groin area. I was asked to raise my sweater and she ran the wand over me again. I believe at this point I was approved to be safe and sent to my boarding area. However it was 10 minutes past the time my flight left.

    My friend had been waiting for me at the ticket counter because he believed that I would not be able to make my flight. I called him from the boarding area and he began attempting to get another flight on a different airline for me. The Northwestern ticket agent did not appear to be interested in obtaining information on the next flight and asked my friend to step out of the line.

    My friend asked to speak with a manager and after several minutes wait a manager arrived. The manager did not apologize for the inconvenience however he did obtain an exchange ticket with Delta airlines for a reroute through Atlanta airport. I had been charged 80$ extra for the shipping of my firearm by Northwestern. My friend was assured the 80$ would be refunded to my credit card since I was flying Delta now and Delta allows 3 carry on items. My other two luggage pieces had already flown out on the missed flight. The 80$ was not refunded, however an additional 80$ was placed on my credit card by Northwestern on February 12th. I have yet to resolve this double charge.

    I went back upstairs (it was approximately 15 minutes before the Delta flight was scheduled to leave). Again I went through security repeating the disrobing and putting everything through the scan machines. Again I went through the human scanner and again I was taken to the holding area. Again I was scanned with the wand and again I was taken to the same private room by the same two women and patted down from head to toe and asked to raise my sweater and scanned again. I was approved as safe and reclaimed my purse and carryon and asked that TSA contact the Delta gate to hold the plane a few minutes so I could make the flight.

    Upon arrival at the Delta gate I spoke with the agent and she voiced shock that someone could go through all of that after following all the rules and procedures of the airline transport system. I boarded the Delta flight and returned home without further incident and also without the only firearm I have that can be carried discreetly on my person.

    To say I am disturbed by the whole event would be a vast understatement.

    Joyce A Deutsch
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    Does anyone know what the resolution of this case was? She was arrested in violation of federal law.
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    Glad I'm not Joyce.

    When I flew AA DFW to Phiily last spring it was very uneventful. Glad there were no NY side-trips.

    keep a copy of the TSA rules on your person for a quick reference
    Important, as well as a copy of the airline rules.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Spike32 View Post
    Does anyone know what the resolution of this case was? She was arrested in violation of federal law.
    And what federal law was that? I've worked at an airport so I'm curious about this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    If problems are encountered...ask for a supervisor...and...keep a copy of the TSA rules on your person for a quick reference.
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    A big +1 to this. Had a problem with checking in at Northwest Airlines once. The lady was new and here eyes got huge when I stated I had a rifle to declare that day. Asked for a supervisor and had no problems after that. Just be prepared and know your rights.
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    From the TSA Website:

    You may only transport firearms, ammunition and firearm parts in your checked baggage. Firearms, ammunition and firearm parts are prohibited from carry-on baggage.

    You must declare all firearms to the airline during the ticket counter check-in process.
    The firearm must be unloaded.
    The firearm must be in a hard-sided container.
    The container must be locked. A locked container is defined as one that completely secures the firearm from access by anyone other than you. Cases that can be pulled open with little effort do not meet this criterion. The pictures provided here illustrate the difference between a properly packaged and an improperly packaged firearm.
    We recommend that you provide the key or combination to the security officer if he or she needs to open the container. You should remain present during screening to take the key back after the container is cleared. If you are not present and the security officer must open the container, we or the airline will make a reasonable attempt to contact you. If we can't contact you, the container will not be placed on the plane. Federal regulations prohibit unlocked gun cases (or cases with broken locks) on aircraft.
    You must securely pack any ammunition in fiber (such as cardboard), wood or metal boxes or other packaging that is specifically designed to carry small amounts of ammunition.
    You can't use firearm magazines/clips for packing ammunition unless they completely and securely enclose the ammunition (e.g., by securely covering the exposed portions of the magazine or by securely placing the magazine in a pouch, holder, holster or lanyard).
    You may carry the ammunition in the same hard-sided case as the firearm, as long as you pack it as described above.
    You can't bring black powder or percussion caps used with black-powder type firearms in either your carry-on or checked baggage.

    Airlines may have their own additional requirements on the carriage of firearms and the amount of ammunition that you may have in your checked baggage. Therefore, travelers should also contact the airline regarding its firearm and ammunition carriage policy.

    TSA: Traveling with Special Items
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mo View Post
    I am flying American to Alaska next year, via Dallas. Was there any significant delay over and above the regular baggage check process?
    It maybe added 2 minutes at the most, just time to pull out and put it back away under proper lock.
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    You're better off copying the law, not the "TSA recommendations". Highlite the important parts and be prepared to show the airline and TSA what the law reads. I had to do it once in Raleigh a couple of years ago. No further probs.
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    On a trip to Vegas a couple months ago I had no trouble checking my pistol flying AirTran going through Atlanta.

    Just read up on (and print a copy) of the TSA rules/regs to follow. ALSO....make sure you check with the airline to see if they have any specific requirements that may differ from TSA's. For ex: Airtran wants the ammo in a separate checked bag from the one you have your gun in.

    If it's a handgun just make sure it's fully unloaded and that the slide is locked back. The slide being back isn't a "must" technically, but at least when I flew they mentioned that they really prefer it that way so that all the customer won't have to handle the firearm in line, this way all you have to do is open the case and they can physically see it's empty.

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    I flew out of Washington-Reagan National with weapons and got bumped up to the front of the LONG line for screening
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    I flew VA Beach to Atlanta back in september. No problem, the Guy at TSA just put the tag on top of the gun case and said that was good. When I got to Alanta I had a long way to go to get my bag and when I got there it was going around the carosel. My only fear was if some one took my bag and walked out the door. No one checks the bag with the person on the way out. I had 3 sets of rules on everything. I mean I had a folder with alot of paperwork.

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    Just flew out to pa with my guns

    I flew us airways the ticketing counter agent asked to see the firearms. Then we went to the tsa baggage area and They did their "check" of the firearms. The funny part is of the 4(counter and tsa agents out and back) different people to ask are the guns unloaded, not one of them actually verified either weapon was unloaded just asked me ( of course they were double and triple checked by me before heading off to the airport.)

    As a side note the phoenix TSA agents really made me mad the asked me to relinquish my keys to the case (they always do that and I wasn't surprised) When I asked to view the opening of the case they just looked at me like I was stupid and said well if you can see from where you are standing then yes. You couldn't see from that vantage point and luckly the ticketing agaent let me stand behind her counter to get a view from 30 yards away and behind the inspection table. In pittsburgh the TSA inspection tables were placed and set up for people to stand right behind them to witness the inspection, and overall the whole transaction was handled better.

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