Should one have to take a class prior to obtaining a concealed weapons permit?

Should one have to take a class prior to obtaining a concealed weapons permit?

This is a discussion on Should one have to take a class prior to obtaining a concealed weapons permit? within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Just a quick poll sparked by another discussion ("which states require a class"). In my opinion, a 4-8 hr class is important. It does not ...

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  • Yes, and you need to pass a test

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  • Yes, but no test

    41 7.96%
  • No, but I think a voluntary class would be good.

    123 23.88%
  • No.

    58 11.26%
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    Should one have to take a class prior to obtaining a concealed weapons permit?

    Just a quick poll sparked by another discussion ("which states require a class"). In my opinion, a 4-8 hr class is important. It does not present a significant hurdle to gun ownership and use compared to the good it does in protecting gun owners and their surrounding.
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    For us gun enthusiasts this is just another excuse to get some training, why not do it? If you truly believe in SD this should not be objectionable. Plus if you are ever involved in a shooting your defense attorney can prove that you have training.
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    No class has worked quite well for WA, and nothing substantial suggests that classes prepare someone any better. It also seems, talking to some people, that taking the class makes them think that further practice in unnecessary. And lastly, the biggest problem for any gun problems is bad judgment and not lack of knowledge, and no class can fix that.
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    I voted "No, but I think a voluntary class would be good.
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    I voted "yes", with a test. If nothing more than hammering in those 4 rules, it just might help to promote responsible gun ownership, and help to save lives, especially from stupidity.
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    One should be familiar with not only with proper and safe gun handling practices, but also the current laws of the state in which the license is issued in, as well as the laws of any states they will be carrying in.

    A responsible CC'er should stay informed of the current laws at all times.
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    I guess I must have misread 2A...I missed the part about the testing.

    I believe it's the RKBA (Right to Keep & Bear Arms), not RKBA-IYPAT (Right to Keep & Bear Arms If You Pass a test).

    But then who am I...


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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    I guess I must have misread 2A...I missed the part about the testing.

    I believe it's the RKBA (Right to Keep & Bear Arms), not RKBA-IYPAT (Right to Keep & Bear Arms If You Pass a test).

    But then who am I...


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    Absolutly, i believe honestly that if you are a person who looks to a firearm for a form of protection you would wantto have that higher form of training. But that is me personally.
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    I voted yes, with passing a test. I feel strong about training and demonstrating what you learned. Using a firearm is a serious business and there is not such a thing as too much training.

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    Yes, and you need to pass a test
    My vote, and I'll stick with it. Make my stand or whatever. In my opinion, those states that require no formal class, training, or qualifications are ultimately hurting the CCW citizen. More ammo for the anti's in my book. We're not talking the constitutional rights here.....responsibility and a little bit of knowledge. Otherwise, our cause looks bad....really bad. How can folks turn the CCW permit, warrants, into a joke? Plain and simple...look toward those states that require nothing in the way of formal training. Some will say that the second amendment alone guarantees their right to carry. How many of them have become martyrs for the cause? I'd like to see some statistics here.

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    I didn't vote because I feel strongly that a license should not be required in order to carry concealed. There is nothing in 2A that would lead me to conclude that licensing or training is a requirement in order to bear arms. JMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RevDerb View Post
    I didn't vote because I feel strongly that a license should not be required in order to carry concealed. There is nothing in 2A that would lead me to conclude that licensing or training is a requirement in order to bear arms. JMO.
    So you're more than comfortable with Bubba, and Bubbette carrying weapons? I'm not trying to make a point, but just maybe, there ought to be a shadow of a doubt. Not saying the government should be the best judge of that, but............................................... ..........................

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    I've seen the outlines of a class and a large portion includes stuff like basic firearm care/cleaning, types of firearms/holsters, etc. To me that's pointless. If the classes were standardized to include hammering points of law, situational examples, and a test that would disqualify people who can't shoot worth a darn or didn't truly comprehend the relevant material I'd be more for them. As of now, most of what they really accomplish is collecting more $$$ from applicants.

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    I thought that going through the Texas CHL booklet, law by law, and going over: a) avoiding conflict, deescalation; b) lawful use of lethal force, were invaluable. I'd like to see some gun safety added to the course (at least for newbes) and maybe some more "combat" oriented instruction--perhaps including a more dynamic range test.

    As usual, we get what we pay for, and there is only so much that can be done with an affordable course, and therein lies the dilemma.

    Lots of the professions have continuing education requirements, and one way to keep the immediate cost of licensing down would be to require additional training over time; though that doesn't really solve the problem of unaware and untrained folks carrying.

    We have probably hit a fair compromise here with the 10-15 hour course. It is far from what could be done, perhaps should be done, but it is reasonable.

    (It bothers me that a relative in WA has had absolutely no training, and is likely quite unaware of lots of issues that are brought up in class and often discussed here. I worry about him for this reason.)

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