VA Hospital...Federal Property

VA Hospital...Federal Property

This is a discussion on VA Hospital...Federal Property within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I went to visit my father today, who was just taken to the VA hospital. I didn't even think it might be off limits so ...

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    VA Hospital...Federal Property

    I went to visit my father today, who was just taken to the VA hospital. I didn't even think it might be off limits so I was carrying my XD9. I was planning to leave the gun in the car since most hospitals here are signed.

    When I drove onto the property I saw a sign (with words too small to read) that seemed like it was an Federal property weapons warning. Indeed, when I drove closer and read the sign it was two USSC laws that prohibit weapons.

    Since I wanted to visit my father, I tossed the gun in the weeds to be retrieved later. Just kidding. I drove home and returned a bit later, clean, legal and ill prepared.


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    VA = The United States Department of Veterans Affairs = Federal Government agency and property

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    I deal with that issue two or three times a year when I go to the VA for treatment. I just park across the street at another doctors office, no problem.
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    Funny how all the patients there were issued weapons during their service...
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ Husker View Post
    Funny how all the patients there were issued weapons during their service...
    I can't speak for the Army, Navy and Marines, but in the AF it is a very small percentage of individuals who are issued weapons. Security Police, Flight Crew Members, and a few other select career fields. All personnel were required to qualify, but would only be issued a weapon in case of deployment to a actual combat zone.
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    The building is:
    -owned or leased by the federal government
    -federal employees regularly go there as a part of their official duties

    therefore it is a 'federal facility' and carry is prohibited.
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    I haven't noticed any of the signs at the VA in Kansas City but they do have a clearing barrell right outside the ER entrance
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ Husker View Post
    Funny how all the patients there were issued weapons during their service...
    Funny how the U.S. Constitution gives us the right to keep and bear arms, and the main place that right is denied for everyone is on any property of our own government created by that constitution.

    What a country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ Husker View Post
    Funny how all the patients there were issued weapons during their service...
    Quote Originally Posted by OhShoot View Post
    Funny how the U.S. Constitution gives us the right to keep and bear arms, and the main place that right is denied for everyone is on any property of our own government created by that constitution.

    What a country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J man View Post
    I haven't noticed any of the signs at the VA in Kansas City but they do have a clearing barrell right outside the ER entrance
    Now, THAT'S interesting! Was it marked as such OR could it have been there so incoming folks could dispose of their cigarettes before entering the building?

    Oh, you were being humorous? Okay, I bit!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KenInColo View Post
    Ironies; don't you just love'em?

    I'll tell you what though, without the VA, yours truly wouldn't be here today. I'm one grateful vet.
    Good for you sir...very good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain38 View Post
    Now, THAT'S interesting! Was it marked as such OR could it have been there so incoming folks could dispose of their cigarettes before entering the building?

    Oh, you were being humorous? Okay, I bit!
    I'm am serious, it's a red 55 gallon drum set on about a 45 degree angle, filled with sand and rocks, it has a metal shield that covers the bung hole on the barrel and you rotate the shield to gain access to clear your firearm.

    It has been awhile since I have been there but I believe the sign on top of the barrell reads

    Please clear all firearms before entering the building
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    I'm sorry to revive this old thread, but I beg to differ with the notion that 18 USC 930 disallows possession in the parking lot of a VA Hospital.

    18 USC § 930 - Possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in Federal facilities | LII / Legal Information Institute

    It states, in part, "(a) Except as provided in subsection (d), whoever knowingly possesses or causes to be present a firearm or other dangerous weapon in a Federal facility (other than a Federal court facility), or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both."

    Okay, a Federal facility" is off-limits, but what is a "Federal facility"?

    Section (g) (1) says, in part, "The term “Federal facility” means a building or part thereof owned or leased by the Federal Government, where Federal employees are regularly present for the purpose of performing their official duties."

    So, the building is clearly off-limits, but the parking lot? I simply don't see that possession is disallowed there, at least not by 18 USC 930.

    Comments appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhShoot View Post
    Funny how the U.S. Constitution gives us the right to keep and bear arms, and the main place that right is denied for everyone is on any property of our own government created by that constitution.
    Probably the greatest sign of how afraid of an aroused and motivated citizenry the separate entity of 'government' has actually become. No other explanation for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bulge707 View Post
    I'm sorry to revive this old thread, but I beg to differ with the notion that 18 USC 930 disallows possession in the parking lot of a VA Hospital.

    18 USC § 930 - Possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in Federal facilities | LII / Legal Information Institute

    It states, in part, "(a) Except as provided in subsection (d), whoever knowingly possesses or causes to be present a firearm or other dangerous weapon in a Federal facility (other than a Federal court facility), or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both."

    Okay, a Federal facility" is off-limits, but what is a "Federal facility"?

    Section (g) (1) says, in part, "The term “Federal facility” means a building or part thereof owned or leased by the Federal Government, where Federal employees are regularly present for the purpose of performing their official duties."

    So, the building is clearly off-limits, but the parking lot? I simply don't see that possession is disallowed there, at least not by 18 USC 930.

    Comments appreciated.
    You must also look at Title 38 CFR Section 1.218, which states:
    (13) Weapons and explosives. No person while on property shall carry firearms, other dangerous or deadly weapons, or explosives, either openly or concealed, except for official purposes.
    Note the word "property". I think that encompasses a greater area than facility.
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