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    Class B or A misdemeanor for carrying

    *DO NOT BE STUPID AND CARRY WHERE YOU ARE NOT LEGALLY ALLOWED. IF YOU HAVE DOUBT, DO SOME RESEARCH WITHIN YOUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND DO NOT TAKE WORDS OF PEOPLE ONLINE AS FACTS.*



    It has been some time since I took my CCW class, but I remember my instructor saying that he carries in certain places as long as it is not federal buildings and risk being charged for Class A or B misdemeanor. He is retired LEO so I am sure it isn't a huge issue for him to do this and he may have certain threats from past encounters with criminals, but I have been hesitant to do this personally.

    Anyone have a "FRIEND" that carries like this?

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    I wanted to make it clear that this type of behavior is not condoned nor encouraged. We are simply discussing the issue to discourage any law breaking activity and to encourage safety through legal discussions.



    *DO NOT BE STUPID AND CARRY WHERE YOU ARE NOT LEGALLY ALLOWED. IF YOU HAVE DOUBT, DO SOME RESEARCH WITHIN YOUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND DO NOT TAKE WORDS OF PEOPLE ONLINE AS FACTS.*
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    NO WAY!!! Always follow the law to the letter. Why make individuals with concealed weapon permits into criminals? It tarnishes the whole group.
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    Wow. I am very disappointed that an instructor would say such a thing to their class. Really sets a bad example. A lot of people with permits expect the LEOs to give them some respect for being law abiding and going through the process and here we hear about an instructor admitting to flaunting the law.

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    I agree with AllenRuger. However, I understand the opposite view: If no one ever sees the gun, then there's no problem; and as long as you're not actually convicted of a crime, then there's no problem. My view is that one should not take the risk. I, myself, try to avoid going into U.S. Government buildings. However, I think the Court's ruling in Heller invalidates the total ban except in secure buildings such as military and judicial. But if you're going to SSA to update your address, I think you have a right to self defense - SSA is sure not going to protect you. But, as I said, I wouldn't risk it, and I suggest that you be pretty careful - even if the worst that happens is you lose your carry permit, that's a big blow.
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    I have a hard time doing that for the same reason allenruger said. I want to be a positive example of a gun owner/carrier for everyone. If something should happen when I went to somewhere I shouldn't carry I could lose my permit and then NOT be able to carry ANYWHERE.

    My CCL instructor said the same thing and I just couldn't understand how someone would want to take that chance.
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    Not that it will do me any good but, I have left instructions that in the event that I have become incapacitated or killed in an area that I was unable to defend myself to sue whoever it is that disarmed me, for a violation of my civil rights.

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    I think your "former" LEO CCW Instructor is ill advised at best, perhaps foolish and an idiot at worst.

    He may be counting on his "former" LEO status to keep him out of trouble. If I were him, I wouldn't. In short, guarantees are only as good as the paper they are written on. No paper, no guarantee.

    If he's a retired LEO he shouldn't need a CCW Permit, as he can qualify under LEOSA and LEOSA does grant access to more places with a firearm than a CCW in many cases. For example: in some states it's illegal to carry in to a place that serves alcohol for consumption, NM and AZ spring to mind here. Under LEOSA he could carry in those jurisdictions even if the CCW Permit Holder couldn't.

    Another example: From my readings on the internet it appears that NM allows you to carry only one firearm at a time concealed. Under LEOSA he could carry two or three if he chooses to do so.

    In short, follow the law. Breaking the law may have implications that we don't see at a later date. For example: Let's say that in 1978 you got in to an arguement with your live-in girlfriend. No violence, just a verbal arguement. When the local constabulary shows up you have a "personality clash" with one of the officers. You were arrested for Domestic Violence, and convicted way back then. In 1979 and all the way up until 1994 you wre legal to own, purchase and possess firearms and the respective ammunition. Thanks to the retroactive knee-jerk laws passed, you can no longer own, possess or purchase a handgun or ammunition.

    OK, I'm not a lawyer and I am not giving any legal advice, just my own opinions. Do what you want, but be ready to suffer the after effects of your actions.

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    Agree with the above. Not very good advice from the instructor.

    I'll follow the letter of the law, not worth getting that kind of attention. I know a lot of us don't agree with a lot of the restrictions put in the laws but if that's the case then help work on getting them changed.

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    My instructor was LEO as well and said he would
    not tell me to carry in malls or movie theaters
    that posted signs ,as that is not legal , but asks
    if I had ever seen LEO searching "A 40 year old ,
    clean cut man with a 401k plan" in mall or movie
    theater?
    But I thinks it makes more sense to go to a different
    mall/theater that does not post signs and reward
    THEM for not placing restrictions on CCers and stay
    inside the law at the same time.
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    This type of thing is EXACTLY why I am against the whole "permit" system (yes, I have one, and I obey the rules).

    It makes otherwise law abiding citizens consider breaking the law, in order to defend themselves properly (as logic would suggest), because they know they are "good guys" and pose no threat to any but an aggressor.

    [rant] Thing is, the system turns a "right" into a "privilege", to be exercised solely as, how and when those in power deem it acceptable (or should I say most palatable).

    Their inconsistent and obtrusive "lists" of places forbidden to carry are illogical at best (a hospital? Why on Earth would that be a prohibited zone?).

    Carry restrictions should be removed. Permits and licenses should not be required. It's time to turn back the clock to a time when Americans were free. It was not that long ago, that carry laws were virtually non-existent. The politicians (of BOTH major parties) have given us this mess. Time to fire the thieves of freedom! As the folks at JPFO would say, we need to bring about a "Bill Of Rights" culture. Now there's an idea I can wrap my head around! [/rant]
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    Sure, you may not be randomly searched, but what about a freak incident that reveals what you're carrying?

    Case in point. My ccw instructor told of a customer of his gun shop who was eating at a local restaurant. He needed to use the restroom and had to walk through the bar to get there. Near the bar, he dropped his cell phone, bent to pick it up, and accidentally revealed his weapon. The bartender called the police, the police showed up, placed the guy in handcuffs, and escorted him from the restaurant. (In Florida, it's illegal to carry in a bar, or portion of a restaurant that is essentially a bar.) The gentleman was able to produce his CCW and explain the situation. The cop let him off with a verbal warning.. he was lucky.

    Personally, I'm not inclined to risk it.. If it comes down to an issue of personal safety, you generally have the choice of not visiting said establishment if carrying there is illegal. (i.e., go to a different movie theater.)

    Luckily here in FL, signs are nearly meaningless unless you become involved in another issue (i.e. the armed trespass situation).

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    He is only prptected if he's under HR 218 ACT astablished in 03/04 mabey,But me myself dont drink go to Bars I carry 99 % of time stay leagal PS +1 on zachH

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    In MI, the first offense is a $500 fine, and I think a 6 month suspension. Can't remember 2nd offense...but I think there is jail time but it is still a misdemeanor. 3rd offense is a felony.

    I'm not much of a rule-breaker, but I've always found it interesting that the state could only hit me for $500, but my employer can hit me something like $100k (inc benefits) and it's not even illegal to carry at work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T Bone View Post
    This type of thing is EXACTLY why I am against the whole "permit" system (yes, I have one, and I obey the rules).

    It makes otherwise law abiding citizens consider breaking the law, in order to defend themselves properly (as logic would suggest), because they know they are "good guys" and pose no threat to any but an aggressor.

    [rant] Thing is, the system turns a "right" into a "privilege", to be exercised solely as, how and when those in power deem it acceptable (or should I say most palatable).

    Their inconsistent and obtrusive "lists" of places forbidden to carry are illogical at best (a hospital? Why on Earth would that be a prohibited zone?).

    Carry restrictions should be removed. Permits and licenses should not be required. It's time to turn back the clock to a time when Americans were free. It was not that long ago, that carry laws were virtually non-existent. The politicians (of BOTH major parties) have given us this mess. Time to fire the thieves of freedom! As the folks at JPFO would say, we need to bring about a "Bill Of Rights" culture. Now there's an idea I can wrap my head around! [/rant]
    AMEN!!! I agree 100%. In my opinion, the bill of rights is my, and every other citizen's CCW. I do have a NV CCW permit as well, however. My instructor explained to me that if you carry in a place where a "No Gun" sign is posted, you're trespassing. I think it might be a different rule in schools and state/federal buildings, however. Bottom line, carry wherever you feel the benefit of being armed outweighs the risk of being caught, arrested, and prosecuted. I have never heard of a case where a CCW holder was carrying in a no-zone, was involved in a justifiable shooting, and was prosecuted for carrying in a no-zone.
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    I understand your viewpoint, always wanting protection, but you've got to remember one HUGE thing. Not only do pro-second amendment people read our discussions, the anti's read them as well. Your consideration of being legal AND breaking the law is counter productive to our cause.


    I hope you'll retract your statement in lue of the advise from your fellow LTC, CCP, CCW holders advice. This isn't the kind of talk we need to fuel our ability to protect ourselves.


    I for one NEVER carry anywhere I'm not allowed by law. if its a sign, in my state its not against the law to ignore it. I don't use the USPS because of their anti stance. I don't go to school functions unless the police are there (and they almost always are) but I make it a point to call the police station and ask and let them know why I'm asking.


    Anyhow, for you and everyone else reading this, just rmemeber their are people with agendas reading this, printing it, and sharing it on the floor of congress (its happened). SO please, consider what you're asking and what you're admitting to.
    They can't take your right to own a firearm. They can ask with force and you can answer any way you choose.

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