Carry regardless of posted

Carry regardless of posted

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    Carry regardless of posted

    When I go out regardless if its shopping, eatting, or paying a bill, I am carrying concealed, no one knows I am carrying accept me. I am not trying to sound arrogant but regardless if it's posted, if its not a church, school or federal building, I keep myself armed.

    The bad guy does not care about the rules, if he/she decides to pull their gun. It makes no sound sense for me to be unarmed.

    Would you carry into a place of business even if it was posted. Be honest!


    Under Minnesota's law signed in 2005 the senate bill 2259 states

    Subd. 17. [POSTING; TRESPASS.] (a) A person carrying a
    firearm on or about his or her person or clothes under a permit
    or otherwise who remains at a private establishment knowing that
    the operator of the establishment or its agent has made a
    reasonable request that firearms not be brought into the
    establishment may be ordered to leave the premises. A person
    who fails to leave when so requested is guilty of a petty
    misdemeanor.
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    I may or may not have done so today.
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    Hmmm, so would you carry if you didn't have a permit? Would that not be a breach of forum rules - i.e encouraging someone to commit an unlawful act?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bonehead View Post
    I may or may not have done so today.
    What he said ;)
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    It all depends on the state law, in NC I would not.

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    Appears it's not unlawful until asked to leave and not doing so then it's trespassing. Glad there's no such thing as a "sign" here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff F View Post
    Appears it's not unlawful until asked to leave and not doing so then it's trespassing.
    Those are the laws here as I understand it.
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    I would not carry where I am not suppose to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bassking View Post
    Under Minnesota's law signed in 2005 the senate bill 2259 states

    Subd. 17. [POSTING; TRESPASS.] (a) A person carrying a
    firearm on or about his or her person or clothes under a permit
    or otherwise who remains at a private establishment knowing that
    the operator of the establishment or its agent has made a
    reasonable request that firearms not be brought into the
    establishment may be ordered to leave the premises. A person
    who fails to leave when so requested is guilty of a petty
    misdemeanor.
    Under these restrictions, yes I would carry because it is not illegal unless you refuse to leave when asked.

    However, you need to keep in mind that not all states are like that. In some states it is illegal to carry someplace that is posted, even if you are not asked to leave.

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    If the business is posted in accordance with Texas law, I either don't carry there or more likely I don't go there. If it is properly posted it is a crime to carry there. If the sign is not proper I may go in or I may still just go somewhere else.
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    I'm gonna comply w/the laws of the state; in my own state that means I'm carrying everywhere but public schools & school grounds K-12, federal facilities & various state facilities where signs are posted & metal detectors are at each entrance.

    Banks, hospitals, churches, stores, malls, colleges & universities, restaurants (even the ones serving alcohol*) can put up all the signs they want; 'an agent' of the establishment must personally ask you to leave; then of course you must leave or risk being charged w/trespass.

    You can also carry in your vehicle on a public school grounds e.g. picking up your kid. If you exit your vehicle on school grounds, you may leave your gun in it as long as it's in a 'locked compartment'.

    *You can even have a drink here while carrying although I don't myself.
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    I resemble that remark.
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    Sign I didn't see any sign I was on the phone when I came in here. Missouri has same rule if asked you must leave but not a crime, If concealed no one will ever know.
    I cross into Kansas on daily basis, if there is a sign I either leave it in the truck or I do bussiness somewhere else because you will be arrested if caught in a no gun posted bussiness in Kansas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiWeiSz View Post
    Hmmm, so would you carry if you didn't have a permit? Would that not be a breach of forum rules - i.e encouraging someone to commit an unlawful act?
    I don't believe I am encouraging anyone to do anything, it was a question. The verbage is

    "the operator of the establishment or its agent has made a
    reasonable request that firearms not be brought into the
    establishment "MAY" be ordered to leave the premises. A person
    who fails to leave when so requested is guilty of a petty
    misdemeanor."

    So until someone asks you to leave, you are not breaking the law. Only when you "fail to leave are you breaking the law".
    Also it's "May be asked to leave, not "Shall be asked to leave".

    In the landmark decision in District of Columbia v. Heller (2008), the Supreme Court ruled a Washington, D.C. ordinance, that was an outright firearm ban, to be unconstitutional. In doing so, the Court identified a personal right of self defense protected by the Second Amendment.

    In Michigan, Circuit Judge Michael Smith recently ordered the "no guns" signs removed at the courthouse in downtown Hillsdale, saying the ban is against state law.

    Smith said that courthouses are not exempt from state concealed-weapons laws, so there's no way to lawfully stop people from carrying a concealed weapon if they're licensed properly.

    ............

    The point to the discussion was to ask, how would anyone know you had a concealed weapon? Unless you checked you pistol at the door.
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