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Wisconsin Personal Protection Act

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    Wisconsin Personal Protection Act

    Has anyone heard any more on this? Nothing in the news and the only thing out of Madison is smoke and mirrors. I have my CCW through LEOSA, but that doesen't help my Son and Daughter, both who probably need it more than I do.
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    All I have is from this Wednesday's NRA-ILA report.

    Wisconsin Senate Approves Carry Bill
    WFRV.com

    The state Senate approved a Republican bill January 17 that would let Wisconsin residents carry concealed firearms for personal protection, setting up what could be a fierce political clash between the legislature and Gov. Jim Doyle.

    http://wfrv.com/topstories/local_story_017152331.html
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    Here's what I got on it!

    Late this evening, Governor Doyle will veto the Personal Protection Act concealed carry bill.

    "The bill does not create a single job, help a single Wisconsin citizen afford health care, or improve schools for a single Wisconsin child," Doyle said in a statement. "The Legislature should spend more time trying to get jobs into our communities instead of more guns."

    No, governor. The bill just allows people to defend themselves from
    violent criminals. We don't have armed bodyguards like you do.

    The fact that he would veto the bill so late on a Friday evening is
    interesting. Politicians usually make controversial announcements late on Fridays so that fewer people hear about it over the weekend.

    The last time Doyle vetoed the Personal Protection Act in 2004, he had a big midday press conference where he was surrounded by sheriffs and police chiefs. This time he's doing it in the dark of night.

    Please don't let Doyle succeed in trying to hide his veto. Email
    everyone you know about it.

    And also please continue to contact the Democratic senators and
    representatives who voted for the bill to thank them for their courage, and to encourage them to vote to override Doyle's veto.

    Those Democratic legislators are:

    Senator Russ Decker (608)266-2502
    sen.decker@legis.state.wi.us

    Senator Julie Lassa (608) 266-3123
    sen.lassa@legis.state.wi.us

    Senator Bob Wirch (888) 769-4724
    sen.wirch@legis.state.wi.us

    Senator Roger Breske (800) 334-8773
    sen.breske@legis.state.wi.us

    Senator Jeff Plale (608) 266-7505
    sen.plale@legis.state.wi.us

    Representative Barbara Gronemus (888) 534-0091
    rep.gronemus@legis.state.wi.us

    Representative Mary Hubler (888) 534-0075
    rep.hubler@legis.state.wi.us

    Representative Marlin Schneider (888) 529-0072
    rep.schneider@legis.state.wi.us

    Representative John Steinbrink (608) 266-0455
    rep.steinbrink@legis.state.wi.us

    Representative Terry Van Akkeren (608) 266-0656
    rep.vanakkeren@legis.state.wi.us

    Representative Amy Sue Vruwink (888) 534-0070
    rep.vruwink@legis.state.wi.us

    We should have a veto override session in the Senate very soon, to be followed by an override session in the Assembly.

    Thanks,
    The Wisconsin Concealed Carry Association


    Better luck next year Wisconson!

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    <sigh> - where is this Doyle comin from - hell - this is pure control.
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    Well It's not over just yet but Doyle only needs 1 vote to veto and I have no doubt that he will get it.

    This is very frustrating..................
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    This report just in today from NRA-ILA
    NRA-ILA Grassroots Alert Vol. 13, No. 3 01/20/06

    WISCONSIN "PERSONAL PROTECTION ACT" UPDATE

    The State Senate gave final approval to the 2005 Personal Protection Act
    (PPA) and is sending the bill to Governor Jim Doyle (D) for his promised
    veto. It will be his second veto of the PPA in as many years. He is
    committed to his distrust of law-abiding Wisconsinites and to keeping
    the state as one of only four that strictly prohibit trained, licensed
    citizens who pass a criminal background check from carrying concealed
    firearms for self-defense.

    Once again, there are a sufficient number of supporters in the Senate
    and Assembly to override the veto, but only if past supporters stay
    steadfast in their support of the bill. In 2004, the Senate easily
    overrode the veto, but the Governor was able to convince a fellow
    Democrat in the Assembly and a one-time supporter of the PPA to change
    his vote for partisan political reasons, thus killing it by a single
    vote.

    This time around, the Governor and other opponents are once again hard
    at work trying to find a Democrat who will play politics with
    Wisconsinites' personal safety by changing his vote. All six Assembly
    democrats who voted for the bill in December must stay steadfast in
    support of the bill in order for the override to be successful. Four of
    the six have publicly committed to voting in support of overriding the
    Governor's veto. Clearly, the two who have not are in the Governor's
    sights.

    Representative John Steinbrink (D-65), from Pleasant Prairie, has voted
    in favor of the PPA four of four times since 2002, including the veto
    override in 2004. Now, he reports that he is considering reversing his
    long-time support in order to sustain the Governor's veto.
    Representative Steinbrink has been a consistent supporter of the Right
    to Keep and Bear Arms, specifically for self-defense.

    Representative Terry Van Akkeren (D-26), from Sheboygan, has voted for
    the PPA all three times that it has come before him since 2003. Like
    Representative Steinbrink, he is also considering a change of position
    on the very piece of legislation that he voted to support only a month
    ago.

    Of all things, the right to self-defense should trump partisan political
    games. Please contact these two representatives and ask them to remain
    consistent in their support of Wisconsinites' right to protect
    themselves and their loved ones from violence by voting to override the
    Governor's veto of the PPA, as they both did in 2004.

    You can reach Representative Steinbrink by phone at (888) 534-0065, or
    by e-mail at rep.steinbrink@legis.state.wi.us.

    You can reach Representative Van Akkeren by phone at (888) 529-0026, or
    by e-mail at rep.vanakkeren@legis.state.wi.us.

    The FBI reports that over 24,000 Wisconsinites have been the victims of
    violent crime--murder, rape, robbery, and aggravated assault--since the
    last failed override in 2004. These citizens deserve the opportunity to
    defend themselves. PLEASE ACT NOW!
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    The problem with Doyle, besides being ignorant, is he is trying this "priority" BS. He says that education, health care, and making more jobs take priority over the PPA. Yet he hasn't drafted any plans to increase jobs, improve education, or lessen the burnen of health care. All he has done is veto anything and everything that has come across his desk.

    His arrogant vetoing rampage just proves he cares not about the WI residents, just his personal agenda: showing the citizens he has the power to run their lives. "Look at me! I am the governor of WI! Ooooo, how powerful and mighty I am! All those poor, poor subjects! They only with they were as good as me." as he poses naked in the mirror and flexes. He just reeks of elitist BS. We are not as important as him, so we don't get to protect ourselves.

    This a-hole is the reason I left WI and moved to MI.

    Guns be damned. The most powerful weapon is your vote. Hit him where it hurts. He knows his tenure as gov is over after this term. Make sure it is is last.
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    All we need is the veto override and WI has CCW. There are rumors of a "Sherman-esque" flip-flop from someone. I just hope it passes. Of all the four remaining states, WI has come the closest and deserves to get it this time around.
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    Thanks for the encouragement guys - I'm afraid we're in the same situation as last time. The state Senate will override Gov. Doyle's veto easily, and we need exactly 66 votes in the Assembly to succeed there, which is exactly what the vote was when it was passed to get it to Doyle's desk - 60 Republicans and 6 Dems voted for it.

    Every Republican has vowed to override, and I called all six Dems. Four said they'll vote to override, and two won't commit. Doyle is as sleazy as they come, just an abomination (- one of his top aides was just indicted in a contract-fixing investigation and the prosecutor is inches away from getting to Doyle) and he is using every trick in the book to get Van Akkeren and Steinbrink to switch their votes.

    Last time Doyle flipped a Dem co-sponsor - the same Rep that actually wrote editorials in favor of CCW and then he turned around and upheld Doyle's last CCW veto. One vote short then, and thanks to more arm-twisting and sleazy politics, we may be one vote short this time.

    I hope I'm wrong, I really do. The silver lining is that our State Supreme Court all but begged for a CCW in their last concealed carry case and they have a few more cases in front of them that may further enhance our 2nd rights. Our state constitution guarantees the RKBA and we may end up with Vermont style laws yet as the WI SC seems intent on honoring it, thankfully. Also, Doyle is up for re-election and he's quite unpopular so his chances are slim. With a Republican gov and both houses we could get a bill through next year that may just be the best in the nation, but I'm sick of waiting and I'm sick and tired of Doyle and his games.

    And how's this for irony - we can open carry here but can't carry concealed - completely backward!!!
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    Keep calling. Not just once a day. Call four times a day. Flood their lines. Email after every call. Fill up that email box. Keep pressure on them.

    I don't know if this will violate the rules, but glocktalk.com has a WI PPA sticky in their Carry Issues forum. Lots of info. The guys there really keep tabs on it. They have every angle covered. They can give you more info than I can. Third time is the charm.
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    seperate thread started with this info (updated link):

    http://www.legis.state.wi.us/insessi...tes/sv0328.htm

    Wisconsin Senate Roll Call
    2005-2006 SESSION

    SB 403
    OVERRIDE VETO

    AYES - 23
    BRESKE BROWN COWLES DARLING DECKER ELLIS FITZGERALD ROTHMAN HARSDORF KANAVAS KAPANKE KEDZIE LASEE LASSA LAZICH LEIBHAM
    PLALE REYNOLDS ROESSLER SCHULTZ STEPP WIRCH ZIEN

    NAYS - 10
    CARPENTER COGGS ERPENBACH HANSEN JAUCH MILLER OLSEN RISSER ROBSON TAYLOR

    NOT VOTING - 0
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    Link is bad, but the Senate overrode the veto by one vote! It now goes to the house.

    Good luck, WI!

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    Cross your fingers everyone, this is where it gets ugly. Down to the last vote or two on this one too.
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