Americans Use A Gun in Self-Defense Once Every 13 Seconds

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    Americans Use A Gun in Self-Defense Once Every 13 Seconds

    Every 13 Seconds, an American Uses a Gun in Self Defense | LearnAboutGuns.com*

    Americans use a gun in self defense once every 13 seconds:

    * The National Self Defense Survey, as conducted by Florida State University criminologists in 1994, indicates that Americans use guns in self defense 2,500,000 times per year, which is once every 13 seconds.

    * In about 30% of the defensive gun uses, the would-be victim believes that the gun “almost certainly” or “probably” saved a life.

    * In more than 1/2 of the self defense gun uses, the would-be victim was under attack by 2 or more criminals, making a firearm the only viable means of self defense for most people.

    * The overwhelming majority of these defensive gun uses were never reported by the news media.

    * Gun ownership protects 65 lives for every 2 lives lost.

    For those who wish to read the peer reviewed and published studies substantiating these facts, see:

    “Armed Resistance to Crime: The Prevalence and Nature of Self-Defense with a Gun,” Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz, in The Journal of Criminal Law & Criminology, Northwestern University School of Law, Volume 86, Number 1, Fall, 1995

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    This is an interesting fact you might want to share with anti-gun folks.

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    The problem with these type of statistics is that people don't always call the police when they do not fire a shot. In the mass majority, just showing the weapon seems to be enough, and no shots are fired.

    Dr. Kleck tried to take this into account, and the statistics presented here are those stats. I think anti-gunners will often try to say "well if its used in defense so many times how come there aren't millions of extra gunshot victims in hospitals?" Well because, a shot isn't always fired. But when it is, the media doesn't always report it, especially in an area with a lot of anti-gun bias.

    Regardless, the media will pick up on ANY firearm story, no matter how little, it seems. They love sensationalizing everything. It really is ridiculous, confirmed by a story I saw about what foreign students (especially from Europe) thought about our guns. They were far more englightened than most anti-gunners here in the States! They recognized that not only does out media have an unhealthy and ridiculous obsession with crime, murder, and violence (as well as guns), but we have far more poverty than the other countries, and that contributes heavily to the overall problem of violence (not just "gun violence").

    If we want to lower crime, we need to decriminalize certain drugs, and people need to really start to try to break the cycle of poverty. I am not advocating socialism but I think there must be some non-money things that we can do, as a society, to break poverty cycles.

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    Not knowing anything, my 1st knee jerk reaction to the title is "WOW that number seems a bit over the top!"
    Hard to believe, if true it's great news for us SD minded gun owners, real sad about the crime filled state America is in.
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    This is speculation at best. It amazes me the money and time people spend on something that just can't 100% be known. They admitted the largest factor is that the vast majority go unreported, so this being the case it is impossible to come up with a accurate equation like this. The bottom line is , all I am worried about is that I have a firearm to protect me and mine if/when the time comes.
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    I don't bellieve it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JerryM View Post
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    That's because its not true. These statistics are as flawed as the Brady's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NCHornet View Post
    They admitted the largest factor is that the vast majority go unreported, so this being the case it is impossible to come up with a accurate equation like this.

    That's why studies are constructed and conducted in a way specifically designed to uncover those unreported incidents. I'm no expert on research methodology but I know Kleck was specifically interested in uncovering those previously unreported incidents.

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    In my case, I know that having a gun twice has kept a situation from going bad from bad appearances. First time years ago when I stopped in Knoxville Tenn. and hit the wrong exit for my regular fillup, but decided to get gas anyway, a group of youngsters,(gang?) made several comments about me being there and maybe they could use a truck to ride around in. My hunting shotgun laying in front of the seat in a case slid into my hand while I finished gassing up, the group froze, became silent, and moved back the way they had come.
    Second time I'm checking into a motel in Macon Ga. nearly 15 years later and caught a movement behind me as I headed to my room with bags, two guys who I had noticed earlier staring hard at me and my stuff, were doing a very obvious sneak-up and peek at me. At the time I carried a .357 4 inch, I unholstered and held it close to my side, but I guess they saw the gleam of it, with a few profanities they disappeared into the night. Either time had I called the cops what would I have said? "They acted funny !" " They talked intimidating!" But they didn't commit a crime, although to me it was a pretty clear idea they planned to, but for SOME reason they changed their minds.

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    Why not believe it? Look at the difference between the FBI's UCR and the NCVS: 1.4 million reported cases vs 6 million reported and unreported cases of violent crime. Some reports put unreported rape at about 60%. With so many actual crimes going unreported, why the disbelief in people not reporting crimes that were prevented?

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    There are an estimated 2 million cases of bacterial food poisoning each year in the US. CDC hears of about 60,000. The other 1 million 940 thousand cases are based on statistical extrapolations done by epidemiologists. These same methodologies are applicable to gun use statistics.

    In both of the situations mentioned above, all the information obtained must be extrapolated based on various assumptions. That does not invalidate the conclusion. It is just common sense that what the authorities learn about (whatever the issue) is going to be a fraction of what is actually going on.

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    I know if my gun clears leather it's most likely to go off either way I'm calling 911

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    He says that guns are used in self defense 2.5 million times a year. There are about 50 million gun owners. So that means that you are going to use your gun in self defense about once every 20 years. I think that number sounds a lot more "real".

    Now on the other hand, there may have been cases where a gun was used and the crime would have been avoidable otherwise. I agree with others that you can't exactly proof it either way. You can use statistics as evidence, but not as proof.
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    Why the skepticism on Kleck's study?

    He is actually one of the most respected professionals in this area of study. He is from Florida State University. He was very much anti-gun when he started his research, so he had no 'pro' bias to discredit him.

    While 2.5 million is impossible to prove, and would never be accepted by antis, it is certainly more likely to be accurate than numbers any anti-gun crowd will ever publish.
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    One of the reasons is many don’t want to involve police is because they believe that they may get in trouble for having the gun and or using it. Living where I have, I have seen this to be the case many times.

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    I think too many people are also afraid that the law isn't on their side. Depending on where they live, this may be true; however, in many places, you are okay defending yourself against a legitimate, imminent threat, even if you don't fire a single shot.

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