National Park Carnage Begins

National Park Carnage Begins

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    National Park Carnage Begins

    Well, in just about one hour EST, the first of thousands of rabid handgun toting gun nut wackos will be endangering every living entity within the formerly idyllic confines of most National Park Service managed areas in the United States.

    I trust that the National Guard, FEMA, and the totality of NATO's peace-keeping forces are on red alert in anticipation of the inevitable bloodbath!

    Actually, we have a post on our tngunowners.com forum that the Natchez Trace Parkway headquarters said that the new rule had been "postponed" until further notice. I know several of the anti's had filed for injunctions, but none granted to my knowledge.

    If the Natchez Trace fed's level of information is any indication, could be an interesting first week on Dept. of Interior lands, especially in OPEN CARRY states like my own!

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    We might yet again see the vast difference between policy, rule, regulation and law. Unsurprising. Until the 2A is interpreted to apply to all people at all times, I'm sure we'll continue see such finagling and twisting to suit the opportunists.
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    yeah, the carnage may not last long when the new policy change gets reviewed by the Obama team after Jan 20

    let all hope that a good self-defense/life-saving shooting is the only kind that takes place in a Nat'l park after this takes affect
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    Quote Originally Posted by 64zebra View Post
    yeah, the carnage may not last long when the new policy change gets reviewed by the Obama team after Jan 20
    Apparently, it takes more then a year or two to change this sort of rule. They have to make proposals, revisions, and submit it to public comments...I also see no reason the Dept of Interior or the congressmen who supported this change would immediately change their mind.


    A BIG QUESTION TO NOTE: It is currently off limits to carry in a Federal Building where Federal employees work. Now, we all know park rangers are federal employees and work in visitor centers... It has not really been made clear (to me at least) how buildings on National Parks will be treated. Anyone heard anything official?

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    My understanding is buildings in National Parks are off limits.

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    It gets even better...

    My Way News - Group sues to reinstate firearms ban

    The lawsuit said members of the Brady Campaign will no longer visit national parks and refuges "out of fear for their personal safety from those who will now be permitted to carry loaded and concealed weapons in such areas."

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    Quote Originally Posted by nutz4utwo View Post
    Apparently, it takes more then a year or two to change this sort of rule. They have to make proposals, revisions, and submit it to public comments...I also see no reason the Dept of Interior or the congressmen who supported this change would immediately change their mind.


    A BIG QUESTION TO NOTE: It is currently off limits to carry in a Federal Building where Federal employees work. Now, we all know park rangers are federal employees and work in visitor centers... It has not really been made clear (to me at least) how buildings on National Parks will be treated. Anyone heard anything official?
    That was my understanding as well, I think it just goes for the back country.

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    Sounds good to me, I hope none of them show up. Less people to deal with, and especially less of those kind of people!!!!!

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    Ain't no way more than 1% of any fat inner-city liberal Brady-ite visits anything more remote than the Grand Canyon welcome center.

    This rule makes me very happy...I have long avoided the NPS because I refuse to be unarmed in bear/cougar/ne'er-do-well country when I can go to the state park or national forest system and be armed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nutz4utwo View Post
    Apparently, it takes more then a year or two to change this sort of rule. They have to make proposals, revisions, and submit it to public comments...I also see no reason the Dept of Interior or the congressmen who supported this change would immediately change their mind.
    I have faith that the rule could be recinded in a heartbeat if they choose to do so
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    US CODE: Title 18,930. Possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in Federal facilities

    930. Possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in Federal facilities

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    (a) Except as provided in subsection (d), whoever knowingly possesses or causes to be present a firearm or other dangerous weapon in a Federal facility (other than a Federal court facility), or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both.

    ....

    (d) Subsection (a) shall not apply to—

    ....

    (3) the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful purposes.

    ....

    (g) As used in this section:
    (1) The term “Federal facility” means a building or part thereof owned or leased by the Federal Government, where Federal employees are regularly present for the purpose of performing their official duties.

    ....

    (h) Notice of the provisions of subsections (a) and (b) shall be posted conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal facility, and notice of subsection (e) shall be posted conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal court facility, and no person shall be convicted of an offense under subsection (a) or (e) with respect to a Federal facility if such notice is not so posted at such facility, unless such person had actual notice of subsection (a) or (e), as the case may be.
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    "We should not be making it easier for dangerous people to carry concealed firearms in our parks." said Paul Helmke, the group's president.
    Wow. Dangerous? Shame on them. I never thought of myself as dangerous, but apparently to the brady campaign, I must be. You know, we mom types, driving minivans, with small children.....we must be watched, especially in parks...we're dangerous.

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    The lawsuit said members of the Brady Campaign will no longer visit national parks and refuges "out of fear for their personal safety from those who will now be permitted to carry loaded and concealed weapons in such areas."
    They should also no longer visit cities, rural areas, private property, etc!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluedaisy View Post
    Wow. Dangerous? Shame on them. I never thought of myself as dangerous, but apparently to the brady campaign, I must be. You know, we mom types, driving minivans, with small children.....we must be watched, especially in parks...we're dangerous.

    Morons.
    We've heard all about you "soccer mom's". A dangerous and desperate breed of people!

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    gggrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!
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    The lawsuit said members of the Brady Campaign will no longer visit national parks and refuges "out of fear for their personal safety from those who will now be permitted to carry loaded and concealed weapons in such areas."
    What Jack A$$es!

    Good! I don't like crowds anyway, not like they will make a difference. The National Parks will probably get more visitors now anyway. I for one have avoided Rocky Mountain N.P. which is 2 1/2 hours away because of their prior anti gun law. I think this year I will visit it.

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