Pastor Mugged and beaten in Church!

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    Pastor Mugged and beaten in Church!

    http://www.timesdispatch.com/rtd/new...12621/175045/A common isssue I deal with many times as a pastor is why do you need a Gun at church ? No one would ever hurt you there. A pastor that use to be in our association now lives in Virginia and this past Saturday he was robbed , Stabbed repeatedly , Slashed and beaten.
    People certainly ask me all the time what the world is coming to and I have answers that would only serve Controversy so I won t Go there. Where I will go is that my Job is to protect, that is one of the jobs of the shepherd from earliest times and will not waiver with me. If you choose that route with this pastor you wil surely leave with a different perspective. Pardon my rant but I do not understand why these guys were not SHOT in self defense of all that is Good and decent.
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    Unfortunately we are going to see more and more of this.
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    Terrible thing to happen. Something like that should not happen in a house of God (or anywhere), but I don't think the "wolves" really care. I CC in church, and while most of the members don't know, the ones that do have slowly started to accept it. Before I got my CC licence, I had the option to OC in church but didn't because I think it could distract people. When people say "You should be able to depend on God to protect you in church", my response is "We should depend on God to protect us at all times, and perhaps that's why God gave us guns."
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    I think you are doing the right thing to CC in church, G-d gave us wisdom to make the decision to protect our family's and ourselves from evil.
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    BG's are thinking easy target, church, pastor, christians this has to change. Heads need to be pulled out of the sand and start to look at the signs of the times.
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    First of all, my prayers and thoughts go out to your friend and fellow Pastor.

    As far as I'm concerned, people who do things like that serve only one purpose - that of a moving target.
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    When I was in high school one of the local churches used to do a drop in their hall. I think they were having a girls night or something and two boys tried getting in and when the priest wouldn't let them they beat him pretty bad. Luckily he was ok and i think he is now retired. He is a great guy and one of the nicest around. He also served as a State Police chaplain and the chaplain of the local PD/FD.

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    One of the comments left in the story I found a little strange.

    This is completely horrible! I know the economy is rough on us all, but when people start to robb churches and attack pastors this is when people are taking things waay to far. This makes my stomach turn. I really hope they catch these guys! Now all churches should have some type of surveillance systems to protect them.
    Are they implying that in rough times it's ok to rob regular people, and that average crime isn't "taking it too far"? It's never ok to steal, even if you can't feed yourself or your family. Churches are a fine place to go when things are rough though. My great grandpa was a pastor, and would give people who came to his doors food, clothing, or other supplies, as long as they worked for it, so he would have them move a pile of rocks. People back then were willing to do that rather than resort to robbery.

    Surveilance wouldn't do much. Crime happens all the time in surveiled areas. Much better to be proactive (saying I will protect myself), than to be reactive (this happened, so as a result, we'll put up surveilance)
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    The thing about it is that the pastor couldn't have had a gun legally if I understand things right. In VA, you aren't allowed to have a gun at a religious building if there are "religious activities" going on at the time.

    Really unfortunate....
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    Quote Originally Posted by preachertim View Post
    People certainly ask me all the time what the world is coming to and I have answers that would only serve Controversy so I won t Go there.
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    That is a one way ticket to hell.

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    actually in va the law states with out good and sufficiant reason. The pastor can carry. In my church we have armed security.I'm one of the lucky ones .I'm on the staff full time.So when ever we have any kind if church funtions , I'm on duty
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    BGs consider churches a likely gun free zone and religious people an easy target...
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    Quote Originally Posted by preachertim View Post
    Pastor attacked at Henrico church | Richmond Times-Dispatch common isssue I deal with many times as a pastor is why do you need a Gun at church ? No one would ever hurt you there. A pastor that use to be in our association now lives in Virginia and this past Saturday he was robbed , Stabbed repeatedly , Slashed and beaten.
    People certainly ask me all the time what the world is coming to and I have answers that would only serve Controversy so I won t Go there. Where I will go is that my Job is to protect, that is one of the jobs of the shepherd from earliest times and will not waiver with me. If you choose that route with this pastor you wil surely leave with a different perspective. Pardon my rant but I do not understand why these guys were not SHOT in self defense of all that is Good and decent.
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