Ok, so there is a no firearms allowed sign on a business in my town...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott View Post
    Might be true where you live and might not where the OP lives in SC. I live in VA and I can carry in a state level on down government building with the exception of a courthouse. So paying my water bill while open carrying or concealed carrying is not an issue.
    Yeah, I was going to say...maybe where YOU live, but here if it is a county owned property it means they MUST let you carry
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    It all varies by state. That is the main thing. In Kansas, even government buildings must be posted except for federal buildings.Some are, and some aren't.

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    A money order is accepted just like cash, mail the payment and be fone with it.
    It it was a retail store and I could get the product elsewhere, you can bet I would

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    We've had a fair amount of discussion of this type of thing over on ksccw.com . Kansas law calls for a specific sign though placement isn't clearly specified. Even though our law calls for a very specific sign, it is my opinion (and IANAL) that if you carry past an unauthorized sign and are discovered, it does not prevent you from being arrested and even having to go to trial. It may prevent you from being convicted but there have been no test cases yet and in any case, you could easily end up spending thousands of dollars to preserve your freedom. For that reason, I will NOT carry past a sign in Kansas, legal or otherwise. If it's on a business where I have a choice, I take my business elsewhere. If I don't have a choice, I disarm and the gun stays in the truck in the lockbox until my business is concluded. Even when the sign isn't exactly legit, the business owner's intent seems clear to me -- your money isn't wanted here.

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    Do those of you that choose to ignore these signs feel the same way about the wishes of all property owners? If your at a friends house do you ignore his wishes? Do you walk through people gardens just because they don't have it properly marked with signs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puppy View Post
    It all varies by state. That is the main thing. In Kansas, even government buildings must be posted except for federal buildings.
    Actually, anything covered under the 'federal facility' law must be posted to be valid (or you must be given 'actual notice').
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    What water company is this? I am on Johns Island and served by St. Johns Water. Have not seen a sign on their door?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mlr1m View Post
    Do those of you that choose to ignore these signs feel the same way about the wishes of all property owners? If your at a friends house do you ignore his wishes? Do you walk through people gardens just because they don't have it properly marked with signs?

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    A man's home is his castle; I think that answers that part. Second, walking through people's gardens can lead to destruction; I think that is obvious. Businesses fall into pseudo private property; they are open to the public and are subject to a whole host of laws - local and federal to abide by. If they don't post properly, I just ignore it. If they ask me to leave, I will. If everything is properly concealed then there is no problem. In any event it will affect my patronage if it there is a sign.

    Let me put it this way, if a business posted a sign that said "no blue underwear" and you happened to be blue that day, would you honor his wishes or just go ahead in and not go back the next time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swamp Fox View Post
    A man's home is his castle; I think that answers that part. Second, walking through people's gardens can lead to destruction; I think that is obvious. Businesses fall into pseudo private property; they are open to the public and are subject to a whole host of laws - local and federal to abide by. If they don't post properly, I just ignore it. If they ask me to leave, I will. If everything is properly concealed then there is no problem. In any event it will affect my patronage if it there is a sign.

    Let me put it this way, if a business posted a sign that said "no blue underwear" and you happened to be blue that day, would you honor his wishes or just go ahead in and not go back the next time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swamp Fox View Post
    ............Let me put it this way, if a business posted a sign that said "no blue underwear" and you happened to be blue that day, would you honor his wishes or just go ahead in and not go back the next time?
    The difference is that your "no blue underwear" sign bears no force of law. In Kansas, a gunbuster sign does. Our local hospital has signs at the driveway entrance that their entire property is a "Tobacco Free Campus" meaning you can't even smoke in your car while on their property. This sign means nothing to me as it is their policy, not a Kansas law and the most they could do would be ask me to leave. The gunbuster sign on their front door is a different story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acecool View Post
    So technically speaking, I could carry into this business, and the worst thing that could happen is for them to ask me to leave - and I would have to leave or face trespass charges, right?
    While I agree with you, I have to wonder if the intent of the sign does the same as an employee asking you to leave. They have already told you, even if not by the letter of the local laws, they don't want guns in their store. Does that not imply having asked you to not come in armed?

    I'm just wondering how far we can push some of these issues sometimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cvhoss View Post
    The difference is that your "no blue underwear" sign bears no force of law. In Kansas, a gunbuster sign does. Our local hospital has signs at the driveway entrance that their entire property is a "Tobacco Free Campus" meaning you can't even smoke in your car while on their property. This sign means nothing to me as it is their policy, not a Kansas law and the most they could do would be ask me to leave. The gunbuster sign on their front door is a different story.

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    I am discussing this in the context of SC, where I believe the OP to be. All other States - you are on your own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlr1m View Post
    Do those of you that choose to ignore these signs feel the same way about the wishes of all property owners? If your at a friends house do you ignore his wishes? Do you walk through people gardens just because they don't have it properly marked with signs?

    Michael

    My friends house isn't open to the public to allow just any nut bag in. There is nothing in anyone's garden I need to go in there for, unlike stores, where I need to shop for basic necessities.

    When you open a business and invite the public inside your opening up an environment that can become unsafe in an instant. If you want to keep certain people out, whether it be criminals or lawful gun carrying citizens, make it members only and place a guard at the door.
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    No-guns sign can be scrawled with a Sharpie on a napkin and it carries weight of law.
    Felony, to be exact.
    You're not in Ohio so I'm in no position to advise you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swamp Fox View Post
    I am discussing this in the context of SC, where I believe the OP to be. All other States - you are on your own.
    I don't know about SC law though I did realize the OP was from SC, but I was basing my answers on the statement by the OP in one of his follow-up posts:
    They violated the text color section of the law.
    This makes it sound very much like the Kansas law and the question becomes are you willing to walk past a sign on a technical violation (wrong color, wrong gun picture, not quite big enough, etc.). I'm not.

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