People Getting Too Close...
This is a discussion on People Getting Too Close... within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; After reading TNMike’s post about people getting to close, I had a little situation at the gas pumps yesterday. I had just started pumping gas ...
January 26th, 2009 10:16 AM
People Getting Too Close...
After reading TNMike’s post about people getting to close, I had a little situation at the gas pumps yesterday. I had just started pumping gas when a guy came from the pumps on the passenger side of my truck. He was walking and looking toward the door of the store. It looked like he was going into the store.
Just as he got to the front of my truck he turned toward me. I was right beside the back door of my truck (Four door Super Crew F150) so I reach up and pulled the drivers door open so it would be between us. There was a trash can right beside my door so I knew he couldn’t get around the door quickly. (Like was posted in a few other threads some times you can’t stop people from getting to close)
I was wearing a shirt un-tucked so as I bladed myself weak side forward I had my right hand on my G23. (He never noticed this) I braced my right knee against the door frame and was ready to hold the door if he tried to shove it closed on me. I had my left hand up and told him that was close enough. He said he didn’t want money just directions to the gas station up the road about a half mile. I told him straight up the road and pointed. He took another step closer to the door and asks if I would give him a ride. I said no and told him in no uncertain terms he needed to leave. I didn’t much like the step forward after I already told him to stop.
It got the attention of several others close by. There are about dozen pumps on both sides of this gas station. The guy pumping gas right beside me start’s walking up from the pump on the opposite side. He didn’t like the attention and moved on. I did see him later walking toward the gas station he asks about.
At no time did I really feel he was a danger to me but I was more than prepared to do what ever I had to do to protect myself. Before anyone asks I did look all around to see if anyone else seemed out of place like this guy. I kept his hands in sight the whole time. I think he even noticed that. The main thing I did though was to watch his eyes. My Dad was an MP in the Army and he always said the eyes will let you know if a person is about to make a move on you. His eyes never seemed threatening but I was still ready.
I guess the only thing I can think of is I didn’t have time to retreat so I put the door between us. I know the door wouldn’t stop a bullet but if he had anything else I feel I could have dealt with it. Any comments are welcome.
January 26th, 2009 10:20 AM
I have no issue with what you did. Using the door was wise.
He may have wanted a ride up the street but you did the right thing by saying no IMO.
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January 26th, 2009 10:24 AM
I think you did a good job. You were watchful, you listened to your spidey sense, you protected yourself, you gave your commands clearly, and you went home at the end of the day.
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January 26th, 2009 10:25 AM
You did what you saw fit. Probably not going to get much criticism on your actions on this forum.
This is just another example to show that you can not keep people away from you unless your not going to go out into a public place. Just stay alert and be aware of your surroundings. That is all one can do.
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January 26th, 2009 10:31 AM
I actually had almost the same experience a while back. I will not go into detail here cause I don't want to high jack your thread. I think you did the right thing. Stay alert and stay alive.
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January 26th, 2009 11:19 AM
There was a time abt 25 yrs ago that asking for a ride was acceptable and given. Can't do that nowdays. I would have done what you did, denied the request while being alert and cautious.
January 26th, 2009 11:23 AM
You did well.
I had a similar situation also.
I am unsure what I would have done about the car door. I like to keep my movement options open, and I'd be a little nervous about the door. Maybe getting knocked down/back if the door gets crashed, fouling my draw, getting pinched between the door & cab, someone coming up on my 6, are some of the thoughts I had.
Whether this is relevent all depends on the space & time available.
"This is just another example to show that you can not keep people away from you unless your not going to go out into a public place"
farronwolf, I'd have to say you can keep some people at distance, and have graduated escalating force options if they keep closing the distance.
January 26th, 2009 11:23 AM
Sounds like you made the right choices given the distance and circumstances.
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January 26th, 2009 11:48 AM
Reminds me of the last time I picked up a hitch hiker. That was about 15 years ago. He looked harmless enough standing along the interstate. It was not until he is putting his backpack behind the front seat that I saw the 12 inch hunting knife hanging from his belt.
It turned out OK, he was harmless, but when I dropped him off, he struggled to get his backpack out from the seat, the vertical polls on his pack ripped out the head liner of my Blazer. He said he was sorry and was on his way.
That was the last time I picked up a hitch hiker. You want to help people but it is a different world out there today and in most cases, is not worth the risk.
Last edited by Windward; January 26th, 2009 at 01:56 PM.
January 26th, 2009 11:53 AM
Originally Posted by fm2
I understand where your coming from. I had my right knee braced on the door frame and had my left hand out to catch the door should he attempt to do what you said. I'm 6' 3" 225 pounds so knocking me down while I'm braced and ready for it would have been difficult.
Backing away would have been problematic since the nozzle and hose where hanging right behind me. And thank you for the reply...
January 26th, 2009 12:36 PM
You did well and I think I would have done the same thing in your situation.
However, when I listen to accounts like this I wonder how many were just innocent people needing help. Unfortunately with the way things are today you just can't take chances and allowing someone to get too close is often dangerous.
January 26th, 2009 12:58 PM
I think you did good. Interesting to hear about the guy one pump over coming to your aid. It's about time.
Yup. I agree.
Originally Posted by mkh
Times of being an open living, good samaritan are over.
Sad, but what can you do. I have helped people in distress many times, but it's just getting too difficult to tell the good guys from the bad. Even a seemingly helpless individual could be a setup.
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January 26th, 2009 02:24 PM
You did the right thing. Gas stations have become a place of frequent trouble here in Florida. We all would like to help our fellow man, but lets face it you must C.Y.A. first. Maybe this guy just wanted directions but he can stay back a ways while he gets them.
January 26th, 2009 05:31 PM
Well done. You were clear and answered the perceived and potential threat without escalating the conflict. You went home safe and he left without a hole in him. Sounds like a best-case scenario to me! :)
January 26th, 2009 05:31 PM
OP was already ahead of the game by staying alert and having a plan.
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