Carry to church???

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    It's illegal to carry to church in MS. So, if I were to admit to doing so here, that would be an admission of a crime. How 'bout this weather we've been having?

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    Not legal in MI without permission. Not sure what the pro to anti-gun ratio is at my church, but there are enough anti to not make it worth the fight. I leave the firerarm in the car (keep the rounds with me).

    It is a restriction that makes little sense, as it piles a lot of sheep and toothless sheepdogs together for some crazy to make a target. Well, maybe the crazy will ask permission.

    Then again, it was often understood that you should attend a service without a firearm.
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    Sure?

    If you feel safer so be it.But would grandma say??

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    If the church has a day-care facility or private school during the week, or a sunday school, then it's a federal felony good for five years in a U.S. penitentiary to be in possession of a firearm within one thousand feet of the outer boundaries of the church property. It's the school-rule, and the definition of "school" is so broad, you pretty much can't have a weapon in any populated area without running afoul of that statute. And it defines "school" without any regard to whether school activities are actually being conducted, but only in regard to the scope of the real estate that such activities are conducted upon.

    I think it's nuts, myself, but here it is:

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    U.S. Code: 18 U.S.C. 921
    ...(25) The term "school zone" means -
    (A) in, or on the grounds of, a public, parochial or private school; or
    (B) within a distance of 1,000 feet from the grounds of a public, parochial or private school.

    U.S. Code: 18 U.S.C. 922
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    (A) It shall be unlawful for any individual knowingly to possess a firearm that has moved in or that otherwise affects interstate or foreign commerce at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by user View Post
    If the church has a day-care facility or private school during the week, or a sunday school, then it's a federal felony good for five years in a U.S. penitentiary to be in possession of a firearm within one thousand feet of the outer boundaries of the church property. It's the school-rule, and the definition of "school" is so broad, you pretty much can't have a weapon in any populated area without running afoul of that statute. And it defines "school" without any regard to whether school activities are actually being conducted, but only in regard to the scope of the real estate that such activities are conducted upon.

    I think it's nuts, myself, but here it is:

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    U.S. Code: 18 U.S.C. 921
    ...(25) The term "school zone" means -
    (A) in, or on the grounds of, a public, parochial or private school; or
    (B) within a distance of 1,000 feet from the grounds of a public, parochial or private school.

    U.S. Code: 18 U.S.C. 922
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    (A) It shall be unlawful for any individual knowingly to possess a firearm that has moved in or that otherwise affects interstate or foreign commerce at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone.

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    Sorry, but not true. It is not a federal law, and it is not a FL law.

    IF the church has a weekday school, such as a pre-school, or elementary, middle or high school, your interpretation would be correct.

    However, Sunday Schools would not be considered schools for the purpose of the law you have quoted.

    In addition, FL law allows for CWFL holders to carry in their car while dropping off a child/student as long as one does not leave the car.
    Not possible if it would conflict with Federal law.

    Finally, a district in TX just passed a law allowing teachers who are CWP holders to carry with permission. Therefore, cannot be a Fed law.

    Now, I am not a lawyer, don't play one on tv, did not stay at a Holiday Inn Express, but my attorney, in consultation with an attorney who works for the State of FL, is clear that there is no issue on Sundays. He is also clear that I am good to go when the school is not in session. It is questionable whether there is an issue during the week, if one is carrying in a part of the campus other than the school portion. If someone wants to be the test case, we could find out for sure. However, I don't know of any volunteers for that to date.
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    at least 7 out of 20 in my Sunday school class (a church of about 350 regular atendance) carry in church on any given day...not sure about the other 330 or so. You can bet there's a ton of firepower in the vehicles in the parking lot, in addition to those that carry. But we're a small town East Texas bunch

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    Yes, please. Legal in Texas unless properly posted.
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    I really think it would depend on congregation and denomination. At several churches here in Rural Tennessee, some folks carry shotguns in their Pick-ups to church so that they have them along with their robes when they go out cross burning in the evening. The folks in the church down the road from that church don't believe in guns or violence so carrying into the church would be considered anti-social! The other churches are somewhere in between. I put my EDC in the trunk pistol safe when I'm in the sanctuary, but I arm again as soon as I get to car. I'm in the "Bible Belt" and the church is always full of folks. I don't even want to be tempted to start shooting in the church, I know I'd hit somebody that I would regret.
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    I don't recall it as one of the ten commandments, so I say we're free to carry....
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    The worship leader and the accompanist of my church carry every time they come. That would be worship leader - me and accompanist - my wife. It is legal in Alabama and wise as well. I don't know who else might carry in our congregation, but I expect several others do as well.
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    This topic is discussed over and over again, and the responses are always the same. If it's legal CARRY.
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    Quote Originally Posted by portable75 View Post
    Whats your feelings on carry to church???
    Viewed from a murderer's perspective, wouldn't a building full of meek persons of all ages, whose attention is elsewhere, whose guard is down, who have little to no thought of perimeter security seem an inviting target? Little different than the mall down the street, or the park, or a busy street corner at lunch time. Except for the fact that a church can be a much more effective pen for doing such a deed.

    Appalling, no?

    That's why I have no qualms over carrying everywhere. Because, in the end, a church is MORE inviting as a target, not less.
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    Its legal in Florida so I always do.

    But I make sure its real concealed, as I do not want any controversy or commits from some who are anti gun.

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    18.2-283: To a place of worship while a meeting for religious purposes is being held at such place, without good and sufficient reason

    I do.

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