The Stearns Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Bill

The Stearns Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Bill

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    The Stearns Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Bill


    U.S. Rep. Cliff Stearns` (R-Fla.) national Right-to-Carry (RTC) reciprocity bill, H.R. 4547, would allow any person with a valid concealed firearm carrying permit or license, issued by a state, to carry a concealed firearm in any other state, as follows: In states that issue concealed firearm permits, a state`s laws governing where concealed firearms may be carried would apply within its own borders. In states that do not issue carry permits, a federal "bright-line" standard would permit carrying in places other than police stations; courthouses; public polling places; meetings of state, county, or municipal governing bodies; schools; passenger areas of airports; and certain other locations. H.R. 4547 would also apply to D.C., Puerto Rico and U.S. territories. The bill would not create a federal licensing system; it would require the states to recognize each others` carry permits, just as they recognize drivers` licenses and carry permits held by armored car guards. Rep. Stearns has introduced such legislation since 1999.

    Today, 46 states have laws permitting concealed carry, in some circumstances. Thirty-eight states, accounting for two-thirds of the U.S. population, have RTC laws. Thirty-four have "shall issue" permit laws (including Alaska, which also allows carrying without a permit), three have fairly administered "discretionary issue" permit laws, and Vermont allows carrying without a permit. (Eight states have restrictive discretionary issue laws.) Most RTC states have adopted their laws during the last decade.
    Citizens with carry permits are more law-abiding than the general public. Only 0.02% of more than a half million permits issued by Florida have been revoked because of firearm crimes by permit holders. Similarly low percentages of permits have been revoked in Texas, Virginia, and other RTC states that keep such statistics. RTC is widely supported by law enforcement officials and groups.
    States with RTC laws have lower violent crime rates. On average, 21% lower total violent crime, 28% lower murder, 43% lower robbery, and 13% lower aggravated assault, compared to the rest of the country. Nine of the 10 states with the lowest violent crime rates are RTC states. (Data: FBI.)
    Crime declines in states with RTC laws. Since adopting RTC in 1987, Florida`s total violent crime and murder rates have dropped 31% and 52%, respectively. Texas` violent crime and murder rates have dropped 19% and 33%, respectively, since its 1996 RTC law. (Data: FBI.)
    The right of self-defense is fundamental, and has been recognized in law for centuries. The Declaration of Independence asserts that "life" is among the unalienable rights of all people. The Second Amendment guarantees the right of the people to keep and bear arms for "security."
    The laws of all states and constitutions of most states recognize the right to use force in self-defense. The Supreme Court has stated that a person "may repel force by force" in self-defense, and is "entitled to stand his ground and meet any attack made upon him with a deadly weapon, in such a way and with such force" as needed to prevent "great bodily injury or death." (Beard v. U.S., 1895)
    Congress affirmed the right to guns for "protective purposes" in the Gun Control Act (1968) and Firearm Owners` Protection Act (1986). In 1982, the Senate Judiciary Committee Subcommittee on the Constitution described the right to arms as "a right of the individual citizen to privately possess and carry in a peaceful manner firearms and similar arms."

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    Hope it passes .. i would love to be able to carry everywhere

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    I recently became an Ohio resident and there are two things I regret about that. One is that I now have to pay state tax. And the other is that I don't have Cliff Stearns as my Rep. I always made sure to vote to do my little bit to keep that guy in offfice.
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    I am after anything that further improves the lot of legal carry.

    It is taking time - sometimes unbearable time but it could happen - depending still on the overzealous machinations of the anti camp.

    So we have to keep up the fight on our side - and it won't go away any time soon.
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    oh yesssssss !!! If it passes, a dream come true...

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    It would be nice wouldn't it.
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    It could happen...

    I remember thinking years ago that there was a snowballs' chance in hell of getting ANY concealed legislation passed. It took time and a lot of work but it finally happened.

    I think that the fact that the laws have worked so well in the states gives this bill a chance...

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    Mixed emotions here on one hand i dont want the fed gvt anywhere near my permit , and actualy almost all drivers licence recognition comes out of the " interstate compact " which is an agreement of states among thiemselves not the feds . on the other hand i am allways for expanding where i can carry . sorry guys ill have to re read this one a time or two and meditate on it before i can honestly say yea or nay on it ... the issue reaches too far beyond what state lines i can cross while ccw

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    Reading the bill it looks pretty solid. If you travel to a state that issues permits then your states rules apply (thank you PA for letting me carry pretty much anywhere). In states that don't issue there will be a set of standard places you can't carry (school, court, etc.)

    I'm not getting my hopes up too much, the bill has no cosponsers, however, with the passage of the lawful commerece act or whatever it was, things are more favorable now than they have been in a long time.

    Here's a link to the bill...http://thomas.loc.gov/ then search bill number "hr 4547".
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    sounds good. Hopefully this will become law. Sure would be nice to carry anywhere I wanted to travel.

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    I agree with Rocky. It would be nice

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    So my NH permit would be valid in Massachusetts? That almost sounds too good to be true.

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    It won't pass, as much as I'd like it to.
    It's probably not even constitutional, as it'd infringe on states rights.
    At least that's what states like Kansas, California, etc, will say.
    The way to do something like this is like the federal government railroaded through the 21 year old drinking age: Get the states to "volunterally" accept other states' CCW permits, and tie acceptance to some federal money.

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    Snowball's chance in hell. If this passes, I will be stunned. It took 10 years to get the Cop Carry bill passed (aka HR 218). You think just a couple times around will enough for this one? Yeah right. I have a better chance sleeping with Jennifer Aniston.

    We don't need laws. We need the Supreme Court to uphold the 2nd amendment right to keep and bear arms anywhere and any way we want them carried. Open or concealed-our choice. We need the SC to strike down gun control laws, but not a single gun control law has ever been ruled unconstitutional. That is the problem. That is what we gunowners say about gun control right? If we enforce the laws we have, there is no problem. Adding laws does not do anything.

    The law has been there since 1789 and America continues to wipe its ass with the Bill of Rights and look us in the eye and tell us they are upholding the Constitution and that is what makes me sick. Year after year we elect these same asshats who are nothing more than liars with charisma. We don't learn any lessons from the previous administrations. It has all boiled down to just a piece of paper with fancy words on it instead of the cornerstone of this country. Excuse me while I go vomit.
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    While I agree with Freakshows overall, practicality dictates that we do things peacemeal. I'd back a bill that kills the GCA and the NFA in a heartbeat, and applaud the judge that rendered them unconstitutional. Unfortunatly, it's not going to happen any time soon.

    Our rights were taken slowly, and we'll have to regain them slowly. This is a bill that exists _now_. We'd be pretty silly not to back it enthusiastically.

    For people who live in or around no-carry states, this would be a godsend. The way I read it, a Kansas citizen could carry on a FL non-resident licence. As long as the current batch of Kansans are in office, this would be the only way that could happen.
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