This is a discussion on Idiot in Gun Store within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Definitely had my adrenaline pumping like I said it was definitely not expected to see somebody pull a gun from their pocket two feet from ...
Definitely had my adrenaline pumping like I said it was definitely not expected to see somebody pull a gun from their pocket two feet from my head while stooped over.
I talked with the guys at the shop today and they agree that they don't like it when customers do what he did. All guns are supposed to be unloaded and in a case when brought into shop. If they are concealed they are supposed to stay concealed. They have a little sign on the bottom of the door among all the other "signage".
I talked with the clerk who he was talking to and they were just talking about "how often they carry". That's when he "unexpectedly" pulled it out to show that he was armed. They did agree with most on here that my reaction was over the top. But they understood why considering my head was two feet away when he pulled it. I apologized and made it up to them by putting some money down on a Remington 870.
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I think a few of the posts are a little hard on OPer. While I think he over reacted a little, there is a lot to be said with not being there. It would really depend on the vibe the guy was giving when he pulled the firearm. Several comfortable gun owners are idiots just as well as some gun owners are still a little gun paranoid.
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In any situation where I feel uncomfortable (assuming it was not my own doing by being in a stupid place, being with stupid people, or doing stupid things) I just seek cover, create distance, and exit. Because I'm armed, and I have to assume that others around me are armed, I will avoid doing or saying anything to anybody that may seem in the least bit confrontaitional.
Now if I could only figgure out how to do that at home.
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The gun store I went to all the time is now out of business, but before that they put up a no weapons sign on the door. It seems a moron pulled his concealed weapon and pointed the loaded firearm right in the face of another customer that he apparently never even saw before that day. Luckily the idiot lived through that bout of ingorance but it shows there are morons in all groups even one like ours.
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As far as handling a gun in a gun store, I figure it's pretty much a given that there are going to be guns handled, out of holsters. It's kind of a neccessity of doing business. He should have cleared the weapon though. If I am taking a gun into a gun store for repairs or inspections I always take it in, unloaded and in a case. When I open the case I clear the gun, then hand it to the sales clerk.
Here is my opinion on the matter. You interjected yourself into a conversation that you had nothing to do with and called another man an idiot. Several words come to mind here. Disrespect. Assumption. Childish. Lack of control. Most people that I know of would have simply left and took it up with the clerk later if they saw an action that they didnt like. There is a proper way to go things and calling someone an idiot is not one of them, nor is it smart. The guy had a ,loaded gun and you are insulting him. You assumed that he wouldnt shoot you for having potty mouth.I was in my local pawn/gun store (they have a better selection than all the other gun stores around here) looking for some new toys to buy with my tax return. When an older man standing next to me talking with one of the clerks pulls out a little Kel Tec and turns the laser on that's mounted to it! As soon as he put it away I couldn't help myself and called him an idiot..Before another word was said I told him that pulling a gun out in a gun shop with kids twenty feet away in the pawn shop part is just plain stupid
He was in a place that sold guns right? It wasnt a bank, or a church or a school. It was a shop full of guns.Are you sure it wasnt in a pocket holster of some sort or is this another assumption on your part?And pulling it from a zipped hoodie pocket with no holster is even stupider.The clerk was probably glad that you just removed yourself from a conversation that you had no buisness being in, a conversation that could have escalated into something much worse that you started.I told the clerks that I would be back later to look when it's less dangerous. The only thing that he did even remotely "not stupid" was that he kept it pointed at the ground and didn't put his finger on the triggerAnd yet you insult an armed man. Not smart. Not smart at all.BTW I wasn't armed as having just came from work at the airport.You knew the guy?Sadly the clerk just smiled and tapped his pocket (apparently to show where he was carrying concealed) when the old guy pulled his little pocket pistol out (I used to respect his opinion on matters concerning firearms).That's because deep down inside you know you screwed up. If you had confidence that what you did was the right thing, your overbearing,disrespectful and impulsive action would not have you second guessing yourself.In hindsight even my reaction seems wrong to me now.The gun shop that I frequent sees lots of guns being cleared, pointed at the floor and just being looked at. The man had the sense to keep his finger off the trigger and keep it pointed in a safe direction, which tells me that he may not be the idiot that you claim him to be.So what would I do ? The same thing that I always do...nothing. For one, its none of my buisness. Second, if he handles his gun in a safe manner, there is no danger. Thirdly, some punk calling me an idiot in public will be met with some sort of response that more than likely would not be approved by the moderators here.Getting out of there would be my first priority while letting the Glock Armorer know what was going on (he is kind of an A#% but he also would not put up with that. What would any of you do if somebody pulls a loaded gun out of there pocket at your GS?
Yes, there was an idiot in the gun store, and it wasnt the guy with the gun.
Just my two cents.
As for the holster, you don't KNOW that he didn't have a holster. Generally when you draw from a pocket, the holster stays inside. Even if he didn't have a holster, so what? A lot of people don't carry in holsters, and they do just fine and manage to stay safe. I even remember a segment on "Shooting Gallery" with Michael Bane, where an instructor demonstrated ways to carry pocket guns. One of the ways was to just stick it in your pocket! He stressed the importance of not putting anything else in the same pocket, but it CAN be done safely.
IMO, you overreacted, and the clerk and old man probably thought that you were the idiot for chewing the guy out for something so minor. It was a situation to leave if you get uncomfortable, but confronting someone carrying a gun (especially if they've already exercised poor judgment) is never a good idea.
You guys do realize this thread is well over two years old, right? The OP hasn't even posted on the forum since June 27th, 2009.
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I've worked in gunshops for 20+ years and that would be no big deal. Happens all the time. You've just got to judge how much of a threat there is and be ready with an appropriate response. I might ask someone like that to stop and clear the gun for me, I might be satisfied that he kept it in a safe direction, I might take a more agressive stance or be more ready to intervene. I might ask to see the gun so I could control it, on a couple of occasions in the past I have disarmed people with force (I might have posted about that in the "dumbest thing you have seen at the range" thread). In any case I don't work in shops unarmed, and with access to cover and shotguns or machineguns or something.
But, I don't think you were wrong for leaving if you felt uncomfortable. If you get that vibe, don't ignore it.
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Other than observing this action your post lacks any information as to what actually was going on. You have no idea what the man and clerk were talking about nor do you really know if the gun was loaded or not. I think the better action in this case would have been to mind your own business.
If he's handling the gun safely, had it pointed at the ground, etc. ... I probably would never have thought another thing about it... other than to mention he might want to buy a pocket holster for safety sake.
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Overreaction. The gentleman handled the weapon safely, the clerk didn't balk and it was his place to do so if there was wrongdoing, not yours. It's also not a good idea to start name calling when someone is armed, or anytime for that matter. If you were offended, which I have no idea why you would be, just leave.
Now, if the gentleman would have swept you with the muzzle... That is another matter, but no name calling, it shows ignorance and lack of a vocabulary.