ccw = threatened?

ccw = threatened?

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    ccw = threatened?

    during a routine traffic stop i pulled out my drivers license, registration, and proof of insurance. montana doesnt require you to tell a police officer that you have a weapon, but as a courtesy to the highway patrolman and a service to myself (i didnt want any surprises if he noticed i was armed) i also handed him my ccw. as he thumbed through my paperwork he reached my ccw and asked if i was armed to which i replied "yes sir, i handed you my permit to prevent any surprises". as he looked at my ccw and looked back at me (to make sure i was the guy in the picture, i guess) he nonchalantly reached down and unsnapped the retention strap on his holster. he ran my license, and several minutes later he sent me on my way.

    the officer was completely professional, respectful, and courteous (i would expect nothing less of montanas finest) and i was also courteous and respectful. i dont think he meant for me to notice that he had unsnapped his retention strap. what i dont understand, is what motivated him to do it.

    i could understand if he had unsnapped his retention strap as he initially approached my vehicle. at that point, he knew nothing of me and im told that i can look "scary" sometimes. what i dont understand, is why he would unsnap his retention strap after recognizing me as a valid ccw holder. yes, my ccw told him that im armed (as is 99.99% of anyone you meet in rural montana), but my ccw also says:

    • i am not a felon
    • i have passed extensive local and fbi background checks
    • i have been fingerprinted and completed safety courses
    • i have demonstrated respectable character
    • i obey the law

    dont misunderstand, i can appreciate the position any officer places himself in throughout his duty of enforcing the law, but i just dont understand why a valid photo i.d. ccw would make him feel threatened.


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    He might have been threatened by you having a gun .. Some cops will admit they are not much else would come to mind why he would do that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bud White
    He might have been threatened by you having a gun
    certainly, but 1- everybody has a weapon in rural montana, 2 - all the reasons i listed above. having a gun is perfectly normal behaviour for montana, and i clearly had it legally. it just seemed like an irrational move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NaturalSelection
    certainly, but 1- everybody has a weapon in rural montana, 2 - all the reasons i listed above. having a gun is perfectly normal behaviour for montana, and i clearly had it legally. it just seemed like an irrational move.
    Thats true but ya still have to rember that some people that are police are still not comfortable with you having a gun thats just the way it is .

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    First rule as an officer, survive the shift. If you have a gun, then he will want to be able to get his out fast in case. While you are probably a lot less of a threat, better to be safe than sorry. Especially if he was alone and backup was a long way off.

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    I'd say it was a 1% precautionary move - if not almost habit. Sure it was after you'd declared your status but hey - no harm no foul.

    I certainly agree, those guys with traffic stops sure do wanna get home at night. I doubt I would be 100% at ease - with anyone at all - too many cases of being caught out by ''nice'' guys.

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    The way you wrote it, I thought he unsnapped in humor. Put yourself in his shoes. If I was an LEO, I'd have likely done the same thing.

    Rocky told about himself getting stopped once. They made him unload his gun and mag and place it all on the dash. At least he didn't disarm you. Some LEOs in some states will disarm you, just precautionary. I think getting anyone in a traffic stop to start playing with their gun is less safe than letting you keep it holstered. It's not always easy to get to your gun when you're sitting in your car, buckled up. If he has you take it out and "clear" it, it would be much easier for one to shoot the LEO.
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    CYA as far as cop concerned
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    normal paranoia for a LEO if ya' ask me...

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    im not faulting him in any way. again, he was courteous and professional. i just didnt understand his (what i deemed) excessive caution. if i had been an off duty deputy from another county, i doubt he would have unsnapped his retention strap.

    i guess i found it so odd because of where we were.....literally middle of nowhere montana where the most exciting thing that ever happens is a buffalo standing in the middle of the highway.

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    I would say that when you told him you had a gun he realized that he aproached your vehicle to close to condition white and imediatly went to yellow. I say good for him. The next time he stops someone he will probably be more prepared. It is to easy to get lax on the 'normal' everyday routine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raevan
    I would say that when you told him you had a gun he realized that he aproached your vehicle to close to condition white and imediatly went to yellow. I say good for him.
    please clarify your statement. are you suggesting i shouldnt have given him my ccw without being asked for it? i didnt draw my weapon to show it to him......i handed him an identification issued me by my local sheriff that says i have met all the requirements to be considered fit......and dont see how that in itself would send up red flags. to the contrary, statistically (and reasonably) the ccw holder is the guy you dont have to worry about getting stupid. i understand that having a ccw doesnt give you a "free pass", but i dont understand why having one (and doing the right thing in making it known to prevent any potential "misunderstandings") would automatically send up red flags.

    i remember when ccw was being debated in north carolina. the police seemed collectively against it for some reason.

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    naw what he was saying was the Officer might have been in cond white in other words not truly thinking of what he was doing instead of thinking .. All right i got someone pulled over need to be ready to do something at any time be it draw gun duck etc etc..

    He was thinking .. hum can wait to get home check out the mrs in that little victoria's secret # she just bought ...

    And then you show him you CCW and his mind screamed at him ohh #$%^ what am i thinking and doing i came to this car totally unprepared ...

    Not sure if these were his actually thought but you get my drift

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    I agree with it just being CYA. I've only been stopped once, routine license check, told the officer I was carrying and handed him my permit, as I'm required to do in NC. He asked what I was carrying and I said 'CZ 2075 RAMI .40 subcompact loaded with Hydra Shocks". He just laughed and said "Get out of here!".
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    PA doesn't require you to tell police, so as a rule of thumb I DON'T. None have ever known I was carrying, and that makes things less nervy for the both of us.
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