Cc @ post office
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Rare that I must go inside PO, I have probably forgotten.
Does anyone know if someone ...
February 21st, 2009 08:53 PM
When I see metal detector it gives me pause.
Rare that I must go inside PO, I have probably forgotten.
Does anyone know if someone has been convicted of this?(just carrying) I don't know of any.
February 21st, 2009 09:14 PM
Post Office...a couple of points...
I get most of my mail at a Post Office box I've had for years. I don't carry there, but the most dangerous thing I do every day is take my 1911 out of the holster in the parking lot & the put it back in when I return to the car. Most days I drive an almost new Corvette & the tight cockpit makes it a fairly difficult task...esp. putting it back in the holster. It's ridiculous to have to do that. Sometimes, I just leave it lying on the passenger seat covered by a magazine or jacket until I get to a place that I can get partially out of the car to have more room.
Secondly, the Post Office will ship handguns. I'm a FFL dealer and Master Dealer for Wilson Combat. I ship lots of handguns there. In my city, they're much easier to deal with than UPS or FedEX & are far more convenient. Plus, it's less expensive. I ship enough guns there that they don't even ask me the routine questions they're supposed to...Is anything perishible, Is anything potentially dangerous, etc., etc. When they see the size of the box, they know what's in it.
So, apparently they don't consider a handgun in a box to be a "Concealed Handgun"! If that's the case, how can they apply a double standard if it's concealed on your person? I suspect that even they haven't thought about that.
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February 22nd, 2009 12:25 AM
Anybody been hunting in a post office lately? Heck if you can hunt there, totin' a roscoe should be a breeze!
Originally Posted by 500Mag
I wonder who at the post office is going to try and stop me if I set off an alarm.
Originally Posted by Tom G
No, but I would advocate testing a law that is ill conceived or worded. There's a discernible difference between breaking the law and civil disobedience.
Originally Posted by bandit383
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February 22nd, 2009 12:40 AM
+1 I am sure they are not metal detectors around here.
Originally Posted by NYcarry
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February 22nd, 2009 12:47 AM
Press on then...you be right up there as the numeral uno. Talk is cheap! While you are at it...makes sure you tell them that you're just being disobedient.
Originally Posted by paramedic70002
February 22nd, 2009 07:52 AM
Attention Ladies and Gents: Unless you can provide with a reliable or a bunch of reliable links that show that you can carry peacefully (legally) in a post office, we will continue to affirm that it is not legal to carry in a post office.
Since I have not seen yet one single solitary quote from a USPS official or otherwise federal showing on paper "Yes you can carry" we will not do the stupid thing and even discuss the probability that maybe you can 'cause the wording is weird. The last thing we want is having a less than attentive member end up wearing steel bracelets because he or she did not read through one of these posts.
If you feel that a stand should be made and the wording tested, by all means do it yourself. Contact the proper authorities telling them when, where and how you pretend to carry in the post office and let us know AFTER the fact and the results of your experiment. But do not try to incite or confuse members that are actually trying to abide by the law and are doing the smart thing by asking and being informed..
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February 22nd, 2009 10:01 AM
Actually, this has already been tested. The man was arrested and convicted for having a weapon in his car in the parking lot. (No, you cannot leave your gun in the car, either.)
Originally Posted by Miggy
February 22nd, 2009 01:33 PM
Now I'm not sure if this issue has been beaten to death as well, or if it warrants a new thread, but the law seems clear to me that you can't carry in federal BUILDINGS. Does this really include the parking lot? My normal procedure is disarming and locking my gun in my glove box in the parking lot.
Originally Posted by SelfDefense
February 22nd, 2009 02:13 PM
For those that feel that this thread is a well beaten and fairly decomposed horse... feel free to "not post". I see good questions being asked and some good and some vague answers being presented.
Originally Posted by be44321
I agree with those that leave the side arm in the vehicle. I will not go into the Post Office and take that chance. I wait in the car while my wife gets the mail. I would like to see where in the statutes it says you can't carry in your own vehicle. No, I don't park in the building so whats the problem? Do the feds over rule the Castle Doctrine as well? Home or vehicle.
The only dead beaten horse in this thread are those that continually beat that drum. The question was asked, the OP taken to task and those that keep flaming over this should be respectful and not add to duplicity and poor manners.
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February 22nd, 2009 02:45 PM
According to the text of the law:
(1) The term ''Federal facility'' means a building or part thereof owned or leased by the Federal Government, where Federal employees are regularly present for the purpose of performing their official duties.
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February 22nd, 2009 03:32 PM
The problem is it against the law. Of course, if you think it fine then by all means...
Originally Posted by GiddyUpGo
It is not that you cannot carry in your vehicle but rather you cannot carry on Federal property. Period.
Now, in the particular case where the man was arrested, convicted and lost on appeal, he was an employee parked in the employee area. All the arguments were tried (twice) and failed, including the car being an extension of the home nonsense. This case was particularly interesting because they tried to use Heller as a defense during the appeal.
For those who feel comfortable breaking the law on Federal property, heed the words of the judge onappeal:
Please note the bolded text. If carrying is prohibited idling in the 'snorkel lanes' it is not too different than idling in the connected parking lot.
As previously addressed in this Court's prior opinion, the postal regulation at issue (39 C.F.R. Â§ 232.1(l)) passes Second Amendment constitutional muster and is reasonable as applied to Dorosan. The Government has a significant interest in protecting the integrity of the purposes to which it has dedicated the property (facilitating postal transactions) and ensuring the security of postal employees and the public who must: (1) visit postal property to conduct official and personal business; (2) wait single file in roped off lines inside of postal facilities; (3) idle in vehicles single file in "snorkel lanes" on postal property to use "drive and drop" mail receptacles placed outside of the Post Office building;
and (4) carry cash or other legal tender for stamps, money orders, passports and other goods and services provided by the United States Postal Service.
If you go to the post office leave your gun at home.
February 22nd, 2009 04:01 PM
All I see in that judge's statement is the same old BS reasoning that creates "Free Fire" zones. Does NOTHING to promote safety. ridiculous.
February 22nd, 2009 04:18 PM
It has nothing to do with whether it promotes safety and everything to do whether it is legal. The judge weighed the facts with the law: guilty and decision upheld. Post office property is off limits.
Originally Posted by Rustynuts
There is no useful debate here.
February 22nd, 2009 09:18 PM
Posted conspicuously at each public entrance
18 USC 930
Statutes at Large Volume STAT. Page(s)
18 USC 930 2007
No such posting around here.
§ 930. Possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in Federal facilities
(h) Notice of the provisions of subsections (a) and (b) shall be posted conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal facility, and notice of subsection (e) shall be posted conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal court facility, and no person shall be convicted of an offense under subsection (a) or (e) with respect to a Federal facility if such notice is not so posted at such facility, unless such person had actual notice of subsection (a) or (e), as the case may be.
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February 22nd, 2009 10:18 PM
Originally Posted by SelfDefense
Thanks for answering my question about leaving in my car in the parking lot, and for citing the court decision. Now I am curious how it can be illegal to carry on federal property and not just buildings, when you can legally carry into a federal courthouse and check your firearm in the public entry area. They are even required to provide a secure area to store your firearm. I would say that you are not only on the property, but inside the building at that point. Thoughts?
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