Please Tell Me This Bad News Is Not True

Please Tell Me This Bad News Is Not True

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    Please Tell Me This Bad News Is Not True

    A friend of mine told me today that many states throughout the Southeast (including Texas) are considering legislation that would make it illegal to carry in a church.

    I could not confirm this anywhere, have any of you guys heard about this?

    I don't need more bad news: I just realized that it is illegal (currently...) to carry on the campus of my seminary in Dallas!


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    IIRC the situation is the exact opposite.
    lawful church carry has become a big discussion point ever since the double shooting events at those churches in Colorado where the church goer at the second stopped the BG with her own CCW.

    IMHO church carry should not be unlawful.
    There is no good rational reason to not allow as much by law.
    For those who might demure churches are off limits to crime they should run a Google search of "church crime" and be prepared to spend several _days_ if not a week reviewing the church goer specific crime events that occur nationally on a weekly basis and have been for some time now.

    Churches are no safer nor different to criminals than a trip to Wal-Mart, or a strip club/bar.

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    i think its already illegal here in VA

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    Jang is correct (as usual) -- haven't seen any legislation moving around regarding making church carry illegal, but a lot of discussion about making it legal where it's now not allowed. Too early to tell whether anything will be introduced and get moving, though.

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    Arkansas recently tried to pass church carry. It passed in the House and failed in the Senate.

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    Texas initially forbade CC in church. About 5-6 years ago (give or take), they amended the penal code to allow it. I don't see them going back. However, I'm out of state now, so I may not have the latest.

    ETA: I don't see anything in the Pending Legislation section of TexasCHLforum.com. http://texasshooting.com/TexasCHL_Fo...p?f=92&t=20064

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    Last edited by Herknav; March 4th, 2009 at 07:58 PM. Reason: Added info
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    It's illegal in SC also.

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    GA is working on making it legal
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    Quote Originally Posted by jframe38 View Post
    It's illegal in SC also.
    In SC, it is legal if permission is given by the appropriate church official or governing body: South Carolina Law Enforcement Division

    SECTION 23-31-215. Issuance of permits.
    (M) A permit issued pursuant to this section does not authorize a permit holder to carry a concealable weapon into a:
    (9) "...church or other established religious sanctuary unless express permission is given by the appropriate church official or governing body"

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    I'm surprised that specifically prohibiting carry at churches isn't a church-state boundary issue.

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    Jesus would carry a Kimber in our church...but then he could do that in FL.

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    "Concealed" means concealed .... No one should ever know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twiggy View Post
    i think its already illegal here in VA
    Yep.

    BookerT is right also.

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    I personally feel that there is no need for a law either way. It should be up to each congregation whether they will allow carry in their sanctuary. The government should stay out of it. Some Christian groups do not believe in violence in any form, so they would vote no to carry and they should be allowed to do that. Christianity was not meant to be a religion (in it's purest biblical form it is anti- established religion or anti priesthood at its core)it was meant to be a community of believers. If a particular congregation believes violence is part of life and self defense is acceptable they would vote yes, and then so be it. If you accept this you have to also accept the right of the congregation to deny you the right to carry in their sanctuary.

    If you insist on your Second Amendment rights in the church then you must acknowledge secular law has precedence over the "rule of the community" and accept that the government will try to say either way.

    I would change churches or community if denied the right. That is my option as I do believe the church itself should be able to make the rule and I will abide by the "rule of the community." I do not have a "legal" right to attend any church I want( that community must accept me into their fold.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    Jesus would carry a Kimber in our church...but then he could do that in FL.

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