This is a discussion on Church shooting in Illinois (merged) within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by dukalmighty I hate to say it but maybe bibles should come with Kevlar covers I've got another idea - Let the pastor ...
"A well-educated electorate, being necessary to the continuance of a free state, the right of the people to keep and read books shall not be infringed."
Is this hard to understand? Then why does it get unintelligible to some people when 5 little words are changed?
I just read about this a few minutes ago. Man opens fire in church, kills pastor and wounds five others before stabbing himself with a knife. This makes me rethink whether I should carry when I go to church. It also makes me really glad I live in Indiana, not Illinois.
I copied this from the news article:
"An Illinois pastor used the Bible he was reading from to shield himself from bullets being pumped at him from an unknown gunman who opened fire during Sunday services at the First Baptist Church in Maryville, Ill.
Senior Pastor Fred Winters was preaching during the 8:15 a.m. service when a man entered the church, walked down the aisle and started shooting, a parishioner told FOX News. Four others were also reportedly shot.
The .45 caliber semi-automatic pistol then jammed and the suspect started stabbing himself with a knife, Ralph Timmins of the Illinois State Police told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.
Timmins said the gunman slashed two parishioners when they tried to subdue him.
The suspect is in serious condition and is heading to the operating room, according to Saint Louis University Hospital.
Winters was shot three times, police said. He was pronounced dead on arrival at Anderson Hospital, a spokeswoman told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.
Five other people were taken to local hospitals.
Police said there were about 150 people in the church at the time of the shooting."
COGITO, ERGO PORTO
Just goes to show, you never know where you are going to have to protect yourself. It also shows that those who do this kind of thing, look for a place where they aren't going to encounter any opposition; where people aren't likely to be armed.
COGITO, ERGO PORTO
That is very scary. Cool thing is I know one of the local pastors that carries.
very bad situation. i agree the wolves prefer always to prey on the sheep when they know they are helpless. illinois is a shall not issue state last i checked.
I wouldn't try that in a Florida church...
"That I cannot do."
"Give this to, uh, Clemenza. I want reliable people, people who aren't going to be carried away. After all we're not murderers in spite of what this undertaker thinks."
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Unfortunately, these situations always turn around to bite the 2A movement in the backside. The truth of it is if IL allowed any gun rights, somebody may have been able to stop this before a good man died. Thi happened about 15 minutes from home, so it is a little eye opening when I think I shouldn't carry someplace because "nothing could happen there".
Sorry, just rambling
Sooon...I suspect there maybe metal detectors in Churches.
Regardless...waitng for the rest of the story. It appears the Pastor was targeted...and reminds me of the other recent church shooting (Chicago?) that also involved the Pastor (infidelity I believe).
I hope that out of all these shootings that have happened at churches, state legislators would see fit to lift the ban from carrying a concealed handgun on church grounds.
God bless our troops!
www.dcexaminer.com >> Breaking News
MARYVILLE, Ill. (AP) - Illinois State Police say the pastor gunned down at a church in a St. Louis suburb used a Bible to deflect the first of four rounds fired during his Sunday sermon.
State Police Director Larry Trent says the Bible exploded, producing what appeared to be confetti.
Trent says about 150 people in attendance initially believed the episode was a skit being performed as part of the service at First Baptist Church in Maryville.
Trent says only one of the four rounds fired from the .45 caliber handgun struck and killed 45-year-old pastor Fred Winters.
Two congregants and the gunman suffered stab wounds while the gunman was wrestled to the floor after his gun jammed.
Trent says no one at the church recognized the gunman.
Hogwash. What it would do is to increase the likelihood of citizens being able to defend themselves when broken cogs (like this murderer) decide to attempt to eliminate others.