Church shooting in Illinois (merged)
This is a discussion on Church shooting in Illinois (merged) within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by dukalmighty
I hate to say it but maybe bibles should come with Kevlar covers
I've got another idea - Let the pastor ...
March 8th, 2009 03:20 PM
I've got another idea - Let the pastor carry a gun, if he so chooses.
Originally Posted by dukalmighty
"A well-educated electorate, being necessary to the continuance of a free state, the right of the people to keep and read books shall not be infringed."
Is this hard to understand? Then why does it get unintelligible to some people when 5 little words are changed?
March 8th, 2009 04:10 PM
Another shooting in church
I just read about this a few minutes ago. Man opens fire in church, kills pastor and wounds five others before stabbing himself with a knife. This makes me rethink whether I should carry when I go to church. It also makes me really glad I live in Indiana, not Illinois.
I copied this from the news article:
"An Illinois pastor used the Bible he was reading from to shield himself from bullets being pumped at him from an unknown gunman who opened fire during Sunday services at the First Baptist Church in Maryville, Ill.
Senior Pastor Fred Winters was preaching during the 8:15 a.m. service when a man entered the church, walked down the aisle and started shooting, a parishioner told FOX News. Four others were also reportedly shot.
The .45 caliber semi-automatic pistol then jammed and the suspect started stabbing himself with a knife, Ralph Timmins of the Illinois State Police told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.
Timmins said the gunman slashed two parishioners when they tried to subdue him.
The suspect is in serious condition and is heading to the operating room, according to Saint Louis University Hospital.
Winters was shot three times, police said. He was pronounced dead on arrival at Anderson Hospital, a spokeswoman told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.
Five other people were taken to local hospitals.
Police said there were about 150 people in the church at the time of the shooting."
March 8th, 2009 04:17 PM
Just goes to show, you never know where you are going to have to protect yourself. It also shows that those who do this kind of thing, look for a place where they aren't going to encounter any opposition; where people aren't likely to be armed.
March 8th, 2009 04:22 PM
That is very scary. Cool thing is I know one of the local pastors that carries.
March 8th, 2009 04:24 PM
very bad situation. i agree the wolves prefer always to prey on the sheep when they know they are helpless. illinois is a shall not issue state last i checked.
March 8th, 2009 04:33 PM
I wouldn't try that in a Florida church...
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March 8th, 2009 04:43 PM
Unfortunately, these situations always turn around to bite the 2A movement in the backside. The truth of it is if IL allowed any gun rights, somebody may have been able to stop this before a good man died. Thi happened about 15 minutes from home, so it is a little eye opening when I think I shouldn't carry someplace because "nothing could happen there".
Sorry, just rambling
March 8th, 2009 04:51 PM
Cynical or not, The truth can be painful.
Originally Posted by Bark'n
HOWEVER, sometimes the truth can wait for the facts
March 8th, 2009 04:56 PM
Sooon...I suspect there maybe metal detectors in Churches.
Regardless...waitng for the rest of the story. It appears the Pastor was targeted...and reminds me of the other recent church shooting (Chicago?) that also involved the Pastor (infidelity I believe).
March 8th, 2009 05:05 PM
Originally Posted by Headshrinker
This reminds me of the BG who held the Amish children hostage.
Those kids had no defense.
"I'm not fluent in the language of violence, but I know enough to get around in places where it's spoken."
March 8th, 2009 05:14 PM
I hope that out of all these shootings that have happened at churches, state legislators would see fit to lift the ban from carrying a concealed handgun on church grounds.
God bless our troops!
March 8th, 2009 05:35 PM
Originally Posted by crzy4guns
If only they thought that way. They'll probably decide to be even stricter on carrying....until only criminals have guns.
March 8th, 2009 05:57 PM
It's Ill-noise. Only 1 of 2 states where subjects....I mean, citizens are not allowed to carry guns. What you're saying is was the "before" case.
Originally Posted by PNUT
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March 8th, 2009 06:34 PM
Police: Ill. pastor deflected gunshot with Bible
www.dcexaminer.com >> Breaking News
MARYVILLE, Ill. (AP) - Illinois State Police say the pastor gunned down at a church in a St. Louis suburb used a Bible to deflect the first of four rounds fired during his Sunday sermon.
State Police Director Larry Trent says the Bible exploded, producing what appeared to be confetti.
Trent says about 150 people in attendance initially believed the episode was a skit being performed as part of the service at First Baptist Church in Maryville.
Trent says only one of the four rounds fired from the .45 caliber handgun struck and killed 45-year-old pastor Fred Winters.
Two congregants and the gunman suffered stab wounds while the gunman was wrestled to the floor after his gun jammed.
Trent says no one at the church recognized the gunman.
March 8th, 2009 06:42 PM
Nah. Such folks believe that would simply put more guns on the street and therefore raise the likelihood of such things occurring.
Originally Posted by crzy4guns
Hogwash. What it would do is to increase the likelihood of citizens being able to defend themselves when broken cogs (like this murderer) decide to attempt to eliminate others.
Your best weapon is your brain. Don't leave home without it.
self defense (A.O.J.).
How does disarming
the number of victims?
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