Before taking CCH class...
This is a discussion on Before taking CCH class... within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Just a question, but you guys have been so great with advice on here, especially my "carry into someone's home" question.
So I've had to ...
March 15th, 2009 10:55 PM
Before taking CCH class...
Just a question, but you guys have been so great with advice on here, especially my "carry into someone's home" question.
So I've had to delay my CCH class until late April/Early May now. My hand is healing fine, I should be range-ready by next week, so that's no longer an issue.
My question is this: do you think it would be a wise idea to hire a private firearms instructor and get some firing practice in at the range BEFORE I start my CCH class? Or is it better to wait until after the class? Or is hiring an instructor a waste of money? It's been years since I was at the range, so I'm basically starting from scratch. Not just target practice, I need to learn everything from the ground up.
I do not own a gun yet, I was planning on shopping while waiting for the CCH permit to come in. I'm told it's taking 90-100 days or more now in NC, so that should be plenty of time to figure out what I want and then go get it. Is that the best way to go about it?
As always, thanks for all the advice!
March 15th, 2009 11:00 PM
I would suspect that the class will teach you everything you need to know and include range time to get proficient. I've been shooting for over 30 years, but I still need a certificate to get my CCL in some states. So, I've signed up for a class in April.
Should be fun, most of it will be review, but there will be some things I haven't run across before.
You said that you don't own a gun yet. By that statement I take it that you've never handled a gun before. If so, I would wait until the class. As I said above they'll be able to teach you everything you should know.
March 15th, 2009 11:09 PM
One can not have too much safety training or range practice. Go for it and enjoy your self. Training is fun.
March 15th, 2009 11:13 PM
I would go ahead and get with an instructor. While the CCH class will go over the basics to get you to pass the course, time for one on one with students is going to be limited. An instructor will be able to spend quality time teaching you the right way to shoot. He may also be able to help you decide on what gun is right for you. The sooner you can get your gun, the more familiar you will be with it, and become comfortable and proficient with it as well.
March 15th, 2009 11:15 PM
I'm just one root in a grassroots organization. No one should assume that I speak for the VCDL.
I am neither an attorney-at-law nor I do play one on television or on the internet. No one should assumes my opinion is legal advice.
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March 15th, 2009 11:19 PM
Training is never a bad idea, it will give you more confidence. Just try to not revert back to any old bad habits you may have had and practice what you are taught and it will not be a waste of money. Good luck.
For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the son of man be. Mathew 24:27
March 16th, 2009 12:36 AM
Absolutely train as much as possible. You won't learn much about shooting at the typical CCL class. To shoot a weapon confidently and use it expertly will require more than you'll learn in that class. IMO, you'll just get enough to pass the test and hit a target ( one that one-eyed Jack with epilepsy wouldn't miss). The more you learn, and the better you shoot ,the better off you'll be if you ever need your weapon. Practice until it's automatic and fast, drawing,firing at least 2 (more is better IMO) at center of mass . Learn to shoot with both hands and each hand separately too. If you carry an auto learn to clear a jam and reload quickly . If the SHTF you won't have time to stop and think. You can never be too trained.
March 16th, 2009 12:51 AM
I have taken the NC CCH class and when you take it you have to
qualify with your own hand gun and be proficient with it. It is not a
hard qualification excercise, you have to put 28 out of 40 rounds in the
black on a silhouette target, in different timed sequences. I would
suggest that you have plenty of range time and be very familar with
your gun. Good Luck!
March 16th, 2009 02:18 AM
In Kentucky, the course consists of a very basic introduction to firearms, a primer on concealed carry and live fire qualification @ seven yards. It's helpful not to be all thumbs with your gun, but "training" in itself is unnecessary.
Bear in mind that I'm commenting on the need to buy professional training as prep for your CCH class. Like most (all, probably) folks here, I think training and practice are very important.
March 16th, 2009 04:39 AM
Please, get more training. Try to find a place that has a shoot house and force-on-force training. The basic instruction you will receive in the law, gun safety and proficiency in your CCW class will not come close to preparing you for a real-world conflict. The best thing about really good training is that it will prepare you for all of the situations that look to the untrained eye like they should be armed conflicts, but really aren't. Those are the situations you really need to understand.
March 16th, 2009 06:26 AM
There is always time to learn something else new...get training every chance you get...OMO.
Proverbs 27:12 says: “The prudent see danger and take refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it.”
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March 16th, 2009 07:03 AM
Mandatory concealed carry courses vary quite a bit from state to state. Find out the required curriculum for your state.
The course I had to take in MA required me to be able to hit the target at 15 yards. And my instructor had a slew of guns that I was able to try. We even field stripped every one. I was fortunate to take a one on one course.
The course I took in FL was completely different. Before I took the class I had to shoot at a target but it didn't matter what the distance was. They wanted safe gun handling skills. But they weren't there to teach that. They concentrated on the class room. More legal and mind set type instruction.
I learned something from both classes. And enjoyed them too!
At the very least try to get out and shoot with a buddy before you take your class. If you can get some training do so.
March 16th, 2009 07:59 AM
I have to go with everybody and say get training. Also remember, there are two types of training: The basic firearms handling training and Defensive training. The first one teaches you how to safely manipulate and fire a gun and the other teaches you how to conduct yourself in case of an attack where a weapon may come into play. GET BOTH. For your class, start with a good instructor in basic firearms safety and then practice for your class. As soon as you can then go for the defensive training which is the reason you are getting the permit to begin with. Get a good instructor for both.
You have to make the shot when fire is smoking, people are screaming, dogs are barking, kids are crying and sirens are coming.
Ego will kill you. Leave it at home.
March 16th, 2009 08:02 AM
Bunny, as others have said, CCW classes vary quite a bit from State to State as well as from different CCW instructors within a State.
My State requires 4 hours class time and 4 hours shooting on the range. We also had to pass the shooting portion with both a semi-automatic pistol and a revolver as per Mo. State CCW statutes.
Our instructor furnished all the guns and ammo, as he explained to us to reduce liability and also because some students do not own both types of guns. He had control of the guns and knew they were operationally sound, and not dangerous. However, some CCW instructors in the State require you to bring your own weapons and ammo. (In my class we shot .38 spl. snub nose revolvers and .380 acp semi-automatics. Fairly easy guns to handle by most, but not everybody. I've heard some classes even use .22 LR for the guns) We got to shoot 50 rounds in each type of gun for practice and then 25 rounds in each gun for the test score. 150 rounds total. We only had 5 people in my class so the instructor had time to work with those who needed help but these days, classes really get full and you may not get a lot of individual assistance in your class.
So first off, I would call and ask what is required for you to attend the class you will be taking.
Secondly, while you are waiting to take your CCW class, I would certainly try to take a Basic Pistol Class. Whether you are able to find an NRA Basic Pistol class or from some other group, I know it will help immensely.
If you can not find a Basic Pistol Class in the time before you attend your class, then seek out a public shooting range in your area and go talk with them. See if one of the range people will work with you in preparation for your CCW class.
Once you obtain your CCW permit, you would benefit greatly from taking as much training as you can afford to. You will certainly be able to afford more range time by yourself or friends than you can afford to go to organized training classes so shoot as often as you can and do try to take specialized classes when you can. Like Miggy said, there are two different types of firearms training. Shooting & gun handling classes and Defensive training.
It will also help you to visit this forum as much as you can. You will learn a lot and be able to get a lot of your questions answered here. Just remember, this is an internet forum so you get opinions and information that you will have to judge for yourself whether it is valid or applicable for you. However, as gun forums go, I believe this is one of the best anywhere.
If you spend any time here at all, you will quickly realize that when it comes to using deadly force against an attacker, you can not have too much knowledge of the subject matter. As a matter of fact, the less you have, the more trouble you can get into.
Carrying a gun is as serious as serious can get. We talk about killing people here, and how to do it expeditiously, and how not to get killed ourselves, and you owe it to yourself, and your loved ones to do it right and learn as much as you can.
A lot of us here look at carrying a gun as a way of life and we are committed to be lifelong students in the art of lethal force and self defense. If you treat it as just a hobby, it can have disastrous consequences.
So, by all means... If you have time before your CCW class, I sure would get some shooting time and training in ahead of time, if possible.
Again, welcome to our little home and hope you find this a place you'd like to hang out.
+1 on everything in Miggy's post!
"The gun is the great equalizer... For it is the gun, that allows the meek to repel the monsters; Whom are bigger, stronger and without conscience, prey on those who without one, would surely perish."
March 16th, 2009 10:36 AM
I was a target shooter for years, then had a shoulder injury that prevented me from shooting for several years. Adding a crimson trace to my handgun has allowed me to start shooting again.
I took my CCW class at a very large, well known gun store/range. It was quite a drive from my home - but very well worth it. I had excellent, very knowledgeable teachers.
I met a woman there who is an instructor, and I am starting to take individual lessons from her, once a month.
I would take the lessons -- hands down.
BUT -- do some research. Go to the training part of this site, ask who teaches in N. Carolina. Find out if there is a N. Carolina firearms forum. If there is, join it. Again, find out who the good teachers are, where the best range is. You may find out about a weekend training class to attend, or a specific instructor that you would never have known about.
A large facility with a good instructor is going to have a lot of weapons for you to try out... and will have good advice on what to purchace. When I took my class, they passed out certificates for 10% off any one time purchase of anything in the store -- I saved a bundle on a new revolver, and all the stuff to go with it that I was wanting and didn't have...
Good luck, and welcome to the ladies who carry club!
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