Interpretation of NYC Code: "Continuous and Uninterrupted"?

Interpretation of NYC Code: "Continuous and Uninterrupted"?

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    Question Interpretation of NYC Code: "Continuous and Uninterrupted"?

    New York City law states, that if one has a valid permit to carry throught the rest of NY State, they may carry in NY City if:

    "the firearms covered by such license are being transported by the licensee in a locked container and the trip through the city of New York is continuous and uninterrupted"

    Now, could one drive down into NYC to pick up a friend in Manhattan, and immediately leave NY City and return to the safe havens of outside the city limits without violating this clause?

    Does stopping for one minute to pick someone up violate the statement "continuous and uninterrupted"?

    It's an interesting question. My guess is the trip is "interrupted" by stopping to pick up a passenger, but wouldn't it also be "interrupted" for stopping at red lights, or in midtown traffic, or at a toll plaza?

    I'd be curious as to your interpretations of this.
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    I would say that "Continuous and uninterrupted" means no planned detours or stops. Planning to pick up someone is a stop and would therefore make your trip interrupted. Just my thoughts.

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    Knowing the geography as I do, this trip would be either to or from Long Island.

    Only a guess here but as far as continuous and uninterrupted, I would think that you could probably stop very briefly (about as long as it took for a traffic signal to change), and pick up someone who would be waiting for you on the sidewalk. I certainly wouldn't park my vehicle and go have dinner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JonInNY View Post
    "the firearms covered by such license are being transported by the licensee in a locked container and the trip through the city of New York is continuous and uninterrupted"

    Does stopping for one minute to pick someone up violate the statement "continuous and uninterrupted"?
    If you stop for any reason or delay in your trip, at the very least it'll be taken to mean you've interrupted an otherwise continuous trip through the city. You might well get an attorney to tell you otherwise, but bank on the concept that this is what it will be taken to mean, if you get caught in an uncontinuously-moving situation, interrupted from your direct trip through the place.
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    My guess is...if they stop you and are talking to you for any reason, your trip is 'stopped and interrupted', and your screwed!

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    I'd have to agree that a scheduled stop, albeit brief, means the trip is not continuous. If you have the passenger jump in while you're rolling maybe you can skirt that little language.
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    I think you would be fine. My understanding would be if you drove to from Long Island thru the city and you stopped in the 5 boros and picked up a passanger to take them to the range in CT with you. I don't beleive you would have a problem. If you drove into the city stopped a friends house and then when out for dinner and then onto the movies, yes I think you could have a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    My guess is...
    That is the key! If there are no statutory definitions of "continuous and uninterrupted", we can only engage in baseless speculation; it can only be decided by a court after someone is on the hook.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anubis View Post
    ... we can only engage in baseless speculation; it can only be decided by a court after someone is on the hook.
    "Baseless," no. If not specifically defined in the statute, then it's based on the standard and customary usage of the terms in question.

    "Continuous" is clear: from start to finish without stopping.

    "Uninterrupted" is clear: no stops, detours, abbreviations, dinner, shopping or other things that keep you from "continuously" driving through.

    The most conservative reading would be that going through without stopping is allowable. Finding out whether the standard were lower is what would require a court date via being a test case.
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    I think all of the above pretty much summarizes it, and I never found anything to the contrary. You better not stop for "convenience" either.....


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    What if you stop at a traffic light?? Hmmmmm?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIGguy229 View Post
    What if you stop at a traffic light?? Hmmmmm?
    That's not a "stop," per se. That's merely following traffic signals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anubis View Post
    That is the key! If there are no statutory definitions of "continuous and uninterrupted", we can only engage in baseless speculation; it can only be decided by a court after someone is on the hook.


    and for this reason Jury Nullification is so important. to void laws that are oppressive and vague etc.
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    I would say that stopping for anything other than traffic control devices or being pulled over is interrupted.
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    I would interpert this as "sort of" but not the same as federal law. If you need gas or to relieve yourself it is OK. I would guess that picking someone up at an airport is a no no. The problem in picking someone up and returning home or elsewhere is that your "destination" was the pick up. You were not traveling through.
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