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    Interesting find on Facebook...

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    I took off last names because I was not sure if I should have left them, but, here you go. It pretty much explains itself. I think you will figure out which post is mine.

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    Chad (St. Louis, MO) wroteon February 6, 2009 at 7:40pm
    So your all dressed up and ready to go. Trusty smoke wagon on your side. When you arrive at your destination you see a sign prohibiting the carrying of firearms on the property what do you. Carry or not

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    Dana wroteon February 7, 2009 at 3:08pm
    Here in GA, unless the location is off limits by law, all they can do is ask you to leave - if you don't, you can be charged with criminal trespass, but I have never had an issue - since you can't tell I am carrying (i.e. concealed), no one has ever walked up and asked me if, by some chance, I might be carrying a firearm. Go figure...

    My response is that I carry everywhere I go (with a few, law abiding exceptions) and I usually ignore those signs - If I ever had to "blow" my cover, I am sure they would be thankful as it would probably be saving their rears...

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    Amber (Las Vegas, NV) wroteon February 7, 2009 at 8:02pm
    Okay, hope I don't get in trouble, but it's concealed, right? I'm not going to get patted down. The only way I know for sure I can't carry in a place is a metal detector. Otherwise I "forget" I was carrying my gun...

    I agree whole-heartedly with Dana.

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    Mark (Minneapolis / St. Paul, MN) wroteon February 8, 2009 at 2:29pm
    I believe that it is sometimes better to DIS obey a law.

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    Michael (Denver, CO) wroteon February 10, 2009 at 7:44pm
    I suppose they would allow you to carry a micro chip under your skin(mark of the beast), but I'll carry what i damn well please. What country do we live in any ways. Sort of on the same subject, did any one see "Gran Torino"?
    What would Wally say about all this?

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    David (Cincinnati, OH) wroteon March 13, 2009 at 12:49pm
    Its simple for me. Unless its a government building or they have metal detectors, I'm carrying.

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    This disappoints me to read your responses. It definitely does not help any case trying to keep our rights to CC, especially since this is an open group and anyone can view it. The good thing is, MOST CCW holders abide by the laws and this is an exception. It does not matter what you think is "right." When you enter a place you are not allowed to CC, you are breaking the law. We should be setting good examples to others by showing that we deserve to keep this right, not take advantage of it.
    I know what you're thinking, "Did he fire six shots or only five?" Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself...you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk? - Dirty Harry


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    I think a couple of those people were saying that they stay within the law, but don't pay attention to signs. I don't know GA law, but it sounds like for the first response that signs carry no merit, so the person carrying is not breaking any laws. To my knowledge it's the same here in Alabama, although I keep my eye out for signs anyway, haven't seen any as of yet though.
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    Same in Florida

    Unless the building is listed in Florida’s regulation “no go”, a sign means nothing legally. And as one of the Facebook writers said, all they can do is ask you to leave.

    When Florida first came out with their CCL program, with the exception of schools almost everywhere was legal. If an LEO could carry there so could a CCL holder. Today there are more restrictions, but Florida is still a very pro CCL state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BamaSteve View Post
    I think a couple of those people were saying that they stay within the law, but don't pay attention to signs. I don't know GA law, but it sounds like for the first response that signs carry no merit, so the person carrying is not breaking any laws. To my knowledge it's the same here in Alabama, although I keep my eye out for signs anyway, haven't seen any as of yet though.
    Yeah, a couple of the posts are understandable, however, some act like the just disregard the law. The guy that stated "I believe that it is sometimes better to DIS obey a law."
    I know what you're thinking, "Did he fire six shots or only five?" Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself...you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk? - Dirty Harry

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    In Texas our CHL instructor spent a lot of time on this. There are several areas that are always off-limits. These include places like sporting venues, schools, and courtrooms. But any business in Texas can be legally a no-carry zone if the owners post a very specific sign that references code "30.06" and has very specific wording " ..."PURSUANT TO SECTION 30.06, PENAL CODE (TRESPASS BY HOLDER OF A LICENSE TO CARRY A CONCEALED HANDGUN) A PERSON LICENSED UNDER SUBCHAPTER H, CHAPTER 411, GOVERNMENT CODE (CONCEALED HANDGUN LAW), MAY NOT ENTER THIS PROPERTY WITH A CONCEALED HANDGUN....". Another variant is a "51%" sign with a red 51 on it that specifies that at least 51 percent of the income at that site is from alcohol sales. But if a business has only posted a simple sign that says "no guns allowed" or "no handguns" or has a handgun icon with a circle and a slash through it the sign can be ignored by the CHL holder. In other words any business in Texas can legally prohibit concealed carry on their premises -- but only if they go to the trouble of having the correct type of sign in plain view. So unless it is on the list of places that you can never carry a concealed weapon (such as a sporting venue, school, courthouse, etc.) if they do NOT have the right kind of sign visible I feel perfectly justified in carrying my gun. Or, of course, taking my business elsewhere.

    I would check the current laws in your state. I suspect several other states are similar to Texas. Some places are always "no-carry", and others can be with the right kind of sign. Carry everywhere else.

    I personally would never carry my gun anywhere that might cause me to lose my CHL. I have worked too hard to get it. Not to mention the fact that I want the general public at large to continue to believe the truth -- that the most law-abiding part of the population is usually those who have concealed carry licenses. And that they should feel as safe and comfortable with me having the CHL right as I do carrying my gun.
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    I love the CCP badge as the group logo, I have now joined and hope it will be an interesting find.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paco View Post
    I love the CCP badge as the group logo, I have now joined and hope it will be an interesting find.
    Yeah, I joined the group for just that reason.
    I know what you're thinking, "Did he fire six shots or only five?" Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself...you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk? - Dirty Harry

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Zeller View Post
    Yeah, a couple of the posts are understandable, however, some act like the just disregard the law. The guy that stated "I believe that it is sometimes better to DIS obey a law."
    That you are right about, and it is not a good thing. These people are ones that can hurt us as well...
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    --in Nevada , generally (North Las Vegas is separate) the only places you can't carry are federal (of course) and some state buildings as well as local government places in Las Vegas and libraries and some hospitals.

    Casinos can post all the signs they want (I've only seen it in small ones outside of Vegas) but it has no more effect than a dress code--they can just ask you to leave and you must leave when asked or face trespass charges--

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    To disobey or encourage others to disobey the law is a poor example when we make claims as to our integrity.
    Are we only honest when we agree with the law?
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    In South Carolina, the signs have to meet very specific dimensions. The letters must also be a specific height and whatnot. My CWP instructor this past weekend told us that in SC, only about 3% of the signs are made to these correct specifications. If they don't meet the specs, they don't mean squat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C Zeller View Post
    It does not matter what you think is "right." When you enter a place you are not allowed to CC, you are breaking the law. We should be setting good examples to others by showing that we deserve (???!!!)to keep this right, not take advantage of it.
    I would strongly disagree, on a Constitutional basis.

    Abridgement of Constitutional right without individualized due process is un-Constitutional. "Law makers" suggesting otherwise are, by definition, enemies of the State.

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    It seems I may have to frequent facebook now and join said group.
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