Had to draw today. 2 armed guys.

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    Had to draw today. 2 armed guys.

    At about 0700 yesterday, I started driving up to WA from San Diego. It's about a 20 hour drive. I got up to the WA border around 0200 today. I was really hungry, so I stopped at a Burger King. A guy approached my truck asking for a burger and a ride north. My gun was still in the back of my pickup, and I felt pretty uneasy. I decided to just drive away and eat somewhere else. I made sure to carry this time.

    Around 0400, I made it to Seattle, and went to my sister's place to pick up the dog and then drive the rest of the way home. get the dog in the truck, and I'm standing in the alley saying goodbye to my sister. I notice 2 men approaching in the alley. One is wearing a trench coat, the other is wearing a hoodie with the hood over his face. I'm super tired and for some reason it didn't occur to me to tell them to stop. They walk by us and I see a large curved knife in the hooded one's hand. I get a little scared, since this guy was 2 feet away from me, and I let him get there without a fight. They walk right past us though, and I put my hand on my gun and watch them.

    Trench coat walks past the house (with 5 sleeping college girls inside) and says "this house", then goes to the end of the alley and stands there. Hoodie walks around to the front of the house, and I see him approaching the door. We watch him enter the house, and can see him inside through the side window. I don't know if TC is armed or not, but I've had enough of these guys. WA has a castle doctrine, and we are outside the house, but still on the property.

    I draw my Sig and tell TC "Don't move, I have a gun". I'm a little worried about the girls inside, since hoodie has a knife, but my sister's safety is my primary concern at the time. TC says back "You actually have a gun?" He complies though and stays still. I tell my sister to call the police, and as she's on the phone with them, Hoodie walks out of the house. I can still see the knife in his hand, and I tell him not to move. I tell him to get on the ground, because I don't want him charging at me with the knife, and he says "I can't". That was really wierd, and he refused to comply, so I just continued to hold him at gunpoint.

    I ask him who he is, trying to find out if he knew one of the girls inside and was playing a prank or something and he said "I'm ****** *******". Didn't express any relation to any of the girls, and at 0400, it's not much of a time for a prank dressed like that with a knife. Hoodie realizes we are on the phone with the police and they start moving away. TC goes down another alley, and Hoodie goes right and out of view. I tell my sister to get in the truck, and I get in with her and lock it. I didn't want Hoodie circling around us or anything. I holster my gun, and a few minutes later, the police show up.

    I stay on the phone with them the whole time, and they let me know they caught TC, but not Hoodie. I turned off my truck and turned on the dome lights and put my hands on the wheel. 3 officers approached me, and told me to step out.

    One of them says even though he knows I had the gun, he would like to frisk me. I comply, and he finds my Spyderco in my pocket. He asks me if the gun is still in my truck. I tell him "No, it's on my right hip". He says "I missed that....that's embarrassing". They didn't take my gun from me, which was nice. I showed them my military ID, DL, and CPL. They took our reports and let us go.

    My sister decided to make the rest of the trip home with me instead of staying in the neighborhood.

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    I know I made some mistakes, and I think most of it was a result of being tired. I usually never let anyone get that close to me ever, especially in a dark alleyway at 0400 wearing that kind of attire. It just never occurred to me that it was bad news until I saw the knife, at which point, it would have been too late. The police said I handled the situation very well, and I think they were very professional about it, and didn't freak out that I had a gun.

    My surefire was in the truck. I really wish I had had it on me at the time. 3 feet away, and it was useless. It would have been nice to be able to illuminate the BGs so I could get a more accurate description other than "white male". I'll be carrying it from now on.

    I had one in the pipe, but my finger never touched the trigger the whole time. Training FTW.

    We're not sure what Hoodie stole, but he did discharge a fire extinguisher all over inside the house also.
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    Glad you all are ok. Stay safe and don't monday quarterback your self to much.

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    You were in the right place, at the right time.

    No telling what they were up to.

    At least one of the scumbags was caught.

    Job well done.
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    So you were invisible to the two guys until you announced that you had one of them covered and the other one open-carrying a large knife had just walked into your sister's unlocked house at 4 o'clock in the morning?
    Americans understood the right of self-preservation as permitting a citizen to repel force by force
    when the intervention of society... may be too late to prevent an injury.
    -Blackstone’s Commentaries 145–146, n. 42 (1803) in District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008)

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    Glad you are ok. Looks like you do what you have to do. Stay Armed and Safe!

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    They had to have seen me as they walked by...that was what was so weird about the whole thing...he entered her house even though we were standing right outside. It was confirmed afterward that none of the girls knew these guys. My guess is they were on drugs. And maybe gang related...they both had red bandanas.
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    It just goes to show that when it happens to you, it never goes down the way other say they would have handled it on line!

    Glad nothing bad happened.
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    You did well.
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    All's well that ends well. I think I would of called 911 right away, as soon as I saw the knife.

    The BG seemed to get into the house pretty easily...something I would be concerned about for your sister.

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    I'm glad everyone was ok. Your sister's lucky that you were as aware as you were, and carrying. Don't get yourself down with the shoulda-coulda-wouldas. It turned out fine after all.

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    Did they say what charges they have against TC?
    Americans understood the right of self-preservation as permitting a citizen to repel force by force
    when the intervention of society... may be too late to prevent an injury.
    -Blackstone’s Commentaries 145–146, n. 42 (1803) in District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008)

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    All plans go to heck when you cross the LD. Add considerable fatigue to that...you did good.
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    I'm not sure of the charges against TC. I was kind of classified as a witness/bystander...and my sister and her housemates as the "victims". I'd have to ask her, but I'm guessing something like criminal mischief probably...unless being an accomplice lets them charge you with the B&E also.

    He got in very easily because she left the front door unlocked...she was going back in in a few minutes.
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    Wow good job. I found the part where the guy asked you if you actually had a gun to be very funny. They obviously were surprised that you were a threat to them after just walking right by you. I wouldn't be surprised if they were on drugs. Glad no one got hurt, and thanks for sharing!

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    Considering the circumstances sounds like you did ok. Hope that isn't how you started your leave though. Bet you were wide awake afterwards.
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