Traveling with a CCW - My First Time

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    When I go by commercial airline I confirm with carrier I they allow firearm transport in checked luggage. If they do not I select a different carrier for my ticket.

    As far as a basic and acceptable container for my pistol I use an inexpensive padlock to lock an inexpensive metal electrical wiring/fuse box like those available at HomeDepot or Lowes.

    Total cost for both items = less than ten dollars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillArkansas View Post
    When I go by commercial airline I confirm with carrier I they allow firearm transport in checked luggage. If they do not I select a different carrier for my ticket.
    Is there an American-based carrier flying CONUS who DOESN'T allow this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaRedneck View Post
    MadMac,

    Thanks for sharing and glad you are staying safe while out of your home state. I do wonder if you could refuse to hand your keys over to TSA and instead offer to open the safe for them? Anyone know if you can refuse them the keys?
    I was on a recent multi-city trip, and the procedure varies by airport. At Harrisburg PA and West Palm Beach FL, you get escorted from the airline counter to the TSA area, where your bag gets taken to a back room somewhere and they ask for the key to your gun case. You have to wait in the public area until somebody brings your key back to you and tells you your bag has cleared.

    In Seattle WA and San Diego CA, there's a TSA area out in the open near the airline counters where they screen your luggage while you stand there watching (Newark NJ has this too). In San Diego, they were more interested in swabbing and electronically sniffing a bottle of wine than in my gun box. Once you're cleared, they send you on your way and have a skycap or somebody take the luggage on to wherever it goes. Unfortunately, even though I checked in 2 hours early at San Diego, the bag with the gun in it missed my flight, was put on the next one, and arrived at my destination 45 minutes after I did, gun (and wine) intact.

    None of the airline people from multiple carriers in these different cities asked to open the gun box to check that it was unloaded.
    Clinging to guns and God in PA...

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    Update -

    I finally hit my first snag. I checked in at the counter in Detroit. The agent called someone when I told her I had an unloaded firearm in my checked bag. After hanging up the phone, she said she no longer had to escort me to TSA, so she scoped Mr Kimber in my COM safe, then told me to put the orange tag inside the COM safe as I had been doing at each check-in so far on the multi-state trip. She sent the bag on its way after I locked it up.

    I stopped for breakfast and thought I heard some announcements on the PA system, but I couldn't hear them well. I paid for breakfast and went the 100 yeards to the gate only to see two of Detroit's finest talking to the agent and looking around. It clicked.....

    I walked up the female officer and said, "Are you looking for me?" She asked me my name, I told her, and she said "Heck, yes." She then called over the other officer and they asked if I had failed to notify the ticketing agent of a weapon in my checked bag. I said I had notified the agent and had signed the card that she then placed in my gun safe per airline regulations. He said TSA had screened my bag, saw the weapon, and then rifled my bag. As instructed, I had the key on my person and it was NOT a TSA universal style lock. They had wanted to see the card.

    The LEOs told me to accompany them. They called a TSA supervisor in the bowels of the luggage area, then escorted me to a point just shy of the screening area and asked for the key. They went off to give it to the TSA supervisor. We stood around waiting. The male officer then asked for my driver's license. I said I then needed to also show him my CHP as we were at the "show me your ID" phase. I also dug out my retired military ID.

    He was writing all this down on his notepad when the TSA supervisor emerged with my keys and told me they found the card, but that in the future, I need to place it outside the safe in my luggage. I told him I must have misread the regulations. The policeman then says, "The guy has a ccw [sic], he's fine."

    After some discussion, the TSA supervisor told me he really likes my Kimber and asked if he should drop in his old Glock in its place. I took that as a compliment. He asked me what I paid for it and if I like it.

    After chuckles and handshakes all around, I hustle back to the plane to find out I missed out on a free upgrade to first class. Dang.

    Other than all that, all was fine. I liked the part when the LEO sees my NC CHP and says to the TSA guy that I am fine since I have a CHP, even though that really had no bearing on this scenario.

    So what's the rule - in the safe or outside? I understand the point about not being able to get the orange card.

    Of course, an unloaded handgun in one's luggage is absolutely no issue for passenger safety. Just ask Richard Reid - the dipwad who still makes me take off my shoes before boarding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMac View Post
    I left NC for air travel to Utah and Michigan earlier this week. Both states accept my NC CHP.

    Checked in at the airlines desk in NC and discreetly told them I had an unloaded weapon in my checked luggage. Sadly, some nosy middle-schooler standing in line with his mommy kept his googly eyes on the process the minute he saw me whispering to the clerk. The airline clerk was nonchalant, but did ask me to open my COM safe. The kid's eyes about popped out of his head as he tried to espy my rig.

    I opened the safe, completed the orange card, placed it back in the safe, and relocked it. I was directed to a "special" luggage screening area I had used once before with a set of golf clubs. The two bored TSA goobers jumped up, made me stand behind a line, and got all antsy when I said I had an unloaded weapon in my bag. The male goober asked for the key to my COM safe. I had to stand several paces back and winced as he tried to force the key in the lock the wrong way. I told him there was nothing to be nervous about and explained the key would work just fine if he took a moment to put it in the right way.

    While he performed a clueless fondle of Mr Kimber, the female goober was busy rifling my bag, tossing my suit and shirts about and generally making a mess of things. She then started to swab down every part of my bag and the COM safe with separate fabric swatches to analyze for residue. She comletely overlooked the full box of Speer GoldDots and my knife in a very visible mesh compartment. I know I was legal, but it's funny how she was studiously ogling my shaving cream while missing knives and bullets.

    They finally stuffed everything back in, I handed them the TSA lock for the outside closure, and went to the gate.

    Got to Utah just fine. Rearmed in my rental car that was in a quiet place in the garage. Drove a long way to my hotel and went down to eat, still armed. Everything was fine. Got up for breakfast, put on my SuperTuck, Mr Kimber, and just pulled a black t-shirt over it all for the serve-yourself breakfast bar.

    I have meetings today, then another long drive and another hotel stay. So far so good. I will be in Michigan (another state that recogizes my CHP) this weekend.

    I am new to this, and I just wanted to share with other n00bs here so you can know what to expect. Updates will come after the multi-state trip concludes next week.

    BTW, Mrs Mac (another new NC CHP holder) has been giving me ominous warnings for over a week since she learned I was going to travel with my rig. I hope to heaven I can say, "I told you so..."
    Here is a question about TSA agents that has been pestering me. Now in most states NY being one of them for a person to be able to actually touch a handgun they need a pistol permit or have to be an LEO. So if the TSA agents do not have any Federal Law Enforcement Powers and do not have pistol permits either, what gives them the authorization to touch another persons firearm? I mean here in NY when you go to a gun store you can't even touch a handgun unless you have a pistol permit or you are a Law Enforcement Officer with your Badge and ID.
    One more step and it's on!

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    The regulations are quite clear on what to do. The snafus come into play when the ticket agent gets creative with the rules (or doesn't KNOW the rules and wings it) and you have your Detroit situation.

    There is a list of acceptable ID cards and I'm not sure if the retired military ID is one of them. Not debating whether it should be, but the list is the list. I'd check it out for next time.

    I've served previously as a senior exec at TSA in both DC and at two major US airports. The "goobers" are very well trained, but in like any job, you'll occasionally get someone who is new or has never experienced a firearm in transit situation. So what do we do?

    We are calm, respectful and we educate the folks that are new. Great job on the Detroit issue. It was a win/win for everyone concerned.

    While everyone has individual airport experiences, I can tell you that firearms are always interesting stories. Ask any TSA Federal Security Directors and he/she will have stories that will stand your hair on end. It's just AMAZING what people, in THIS day and age, will try to take on an airplane.

    If you travel with your firearm on commercial airlines, you should KNOW the TSA regulation on shipment and it's not a bad idea to keep a copy in your gun safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMac View Post
    So what's the rule - in the safe or outside?
    its been 2 years since I flew, but I'm pretty sure that I placed the card in the luggage just sitting on top of my lockbox so the screeners could see the card when they opened my bag
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    That makes more sense than putting it inside a locked box where no one could see it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ckgdrums View Post
    That makes more sense than putting it inside a locked box where no one could see it.
    Agreed. The ticketing agent said to place it inside my locked COM safe. In future, I will place on the outside. Another lesson-learned: I will tape a card with my name and cell phone number to the outside of the COM safe. Hopefully, they won't have send out the coppers to snag me at the gate.

    You should have seen the looks I got as I was being escorted from the gate by two armed Detroit police officers.

    Thanks for the feedback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMac View Post
    Agreed. The ticketing agent said to place it inside my locked COM safe. In future, I will place on the outside. Another lesson-learned: I will tape a card with my name and cell phone number to the outside of the COM safe. Hopefully, they won't have send out the coppers to snag me at the gate.

    You should have seen the looks I got as I was being escorted from the gate by two armed Detroit police officers.

    Thanks for the feedback.
    Welcome to Michigan MadMAc.

    Here's a story about the Detroit airport. This happened a couple of years ago. A customer had flown into Detroit and while he was in the airport waiting for his next flight some jerk pushed through or around the screening line and metal detector at a full run.

    He got down the concourse before anyone could stop him. Since no one knew if he was armed or crazy or just late for a flight they grounded ALL planes, had EVERYONE leave the sterile area of the airport and go through the metal detectors again. This backed up the airport for HOURS and I am sure caused major problems at many of the airports with connecting flights. All because some idiot couldn't wait his turn. Luckily for him the police caught him and snuck him out the back way or he probably would have been torn to pieces by an angry mob.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMac View Post
    Agreed. The ticketing agent said to place it inside my locked COM safe. In future, I will place on the outside. Another lesson-learned: I will tape a card with my name and cell phone number to the outside of the COM safe. Hopefully, they won't have send out the coppers to snag me at the gate.
    I've had airline folks tell me to put it inside the COM too, but I usually loop the little elastic string around the steel cable I use to lock the COM to the luggage frame. That way the card doesn't get separated from the COM. If they insist (wrongly) that the card should go inside the COM, I leave it sticking partway out so TSA can see it and pull it out. No use arguing with the airline agent and causing a scene.

    In the Seattle portion of my recent trip (see post #18 above) the TSA agent taped the orange card to my COM safe with some TSA tape. He said he wanted to make sure that if a secondary screener opened the bag the card would be right there. He was a cool guy who talked guns with me for a bit.

    I also have my business card taped to the outside of the COM with a couple of strips of wide clear packing tape (so it's totally encased) so they can call my cell if necessary.
    Clinging to guns and God in PA...

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