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    Collegiate Times at Virginia Tech
    Tuesday, April 7, 2009

    As a Virginia concealed carry permit holder, I feel compelled to reply
    to the editorial "Privatizing concealed carry database threatens
    public safety" (CT, Apr. 2).

    First of all, in the Commonwealth of Virginia, any person who owns a
    handgun can carry it openly, Wild-West style, anywhere they want (with
    a few exceptions). Someone I know once openly carried a very tiny
    pocket pistol into a Kroger and was asked by his trembling cashier
    whether he was going to kill her.

    It is not surprising that in this environment, those of us who wish to
    carry firearms on our person choose to conceal them in order to avoid
    the fearful reactions like those of the Kroger cashier. So, instead we go through the thorough and lengthy process of concealed carry permit application. Many of us do; in fact, you have probably encountered people like us at the supermarket or at the
    theater, or anywhere other than on campus or in a bar.

    That should not give you pause because concealed carry holders are the
    most law-abiding citizens there are. In the absence of data about
    Virginia, I will mention that a study of Texas concealed carry permit
    holders indicated that they are 5.7 times less likely than the average
    citizen to commit a violent crime. In Florida and Arkansas,
    respectively, those with concealed carry permits are 300 and 1,000
    times less likely to commit a violent crime. If average people were as
    law-abiding as average permit holders, the United States would have
    the lowest crime rate in the entire world.

    Imagine the consternation we feel when those of us who have so
    diligently applied ourselves to obtaining the permit to carry a
    handgun hidden in public suddenly have our names published in a major
    newspaper for all to see.

    Those of us who wish to carry a handgun in public do not wish to deal
    with the hysteria of some people if we openly carry - like with the
    aforementioned cashier - and also do not wish to be made a spectacle
    of by the horrific misuse of the Virginia concealed carry database by
    the Roanoke Times. It should be completely obvious why we want our
    names to be hidden from the public.

    Second of all, I would like to say that the process for obtaining a
    Virginia concealed carry permit entails a criminal and mental health
    background check as well as passing a class, which demonstrates that
    you are adequately capable of using and accurately firing a handgun. I
    would like to know where anyone, usually those who loathe and know
    nothing about firearms, get off second guessing the Virginia State
    Police when it comes to firearms safety and qualification. The whole
    point of the Virginia concealed carry criterion is to establish a
    clearly defined set of conditions for the issuing of a concealed carry
    permit. Part of the reason this exists is to safeguard the right of
    responsible gun owners to self-defense from the irrational bias of
    those who fear guns.

    As my final point, when the authors of the earlier editorial write
    "the average citizen can no longer check to see whether the babysitter
    to whom they entrust their children is packing heat," not only do they
    show themselves to be hopelessly biased by their use of the sophomoric
    term "packing heat," but they also show their ignorance of the law. It
    states that any person may refuse the right of a concealed carry owner
    to carry a firearm on their property. Any person can, for any reason,
    demand that their private property should remain gun free.

    That should be the end of their problem with the privatization of the
    Virginia concealed carry database.

    James Dorman
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    Great letter!

    Well thought out.

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    Of all places, one would think that the educated at Virginia Tech would understand the simple math involved:
    • Likelihood of criminals invading the VT campus to commit their deadly acts: 100%. They seek to ignore the laws.
    • Likelihood of upstanding citizens committing deadly crimes on campus because they carry the means of self-defense: approaching 0%. They seek to uphold the laws.
    Your best weapon is your brain. Don't leave home without it.
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    Explain: How does disarming victims reduce the number of victims?
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    Nice letter. Hope it gets published.

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    Well thought out and well presented. Good job!

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    Great job with the letter.
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    Very nicely written letter.

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    Very well written and it makes a great point.

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    Great letter, thanks for posting it!
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    Proverbs 27:12 says: “The prudent see danger and take refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it.”

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    Excellent defense!

    Thanks for posting.

    Carry on!
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    Letter is good but don't we have enough antis using 'wild west' without one of our own pitching in? There's just a negative connotation that goes along with that phrase.
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    Nice. Thanks for posting it. Yeah, 'Wild West' should not be used to describe OC, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paramedic70002 View Post
    Letter is good but don't we have enough antis using 'wild west' without one of our own pitching in? There's just a negative connotation that goes along with that phrase.
    actualy wild west is a perfect desription. did you know gun free zones were tried in the "wild west"? i bet any western movie afficionado can list a few. i'll start ya out with tombstone, NM. the OK coral incident was a result of enforceing that.
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    I have a son at Va Tech. He's 20, smart and knows how to use a firearm. When he is old enough I am sure he will carry. One will never know for sure, but one armed student could have at the least slowed or stopped what happened.

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