Do you carry or want to carry?
This is a discussion on Do you carry or want to carry? within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by GreenHorn
I could carry my 5" kimber, but I would have to tell everyone that it is just a large inoperable tumor.
April 24th, 2009 10:50 PM
Well, that depends on the concealment I guess. I have carried full sized 1911 for over 30 years and have never been approached. Now maybe it was seen and ignored (and I may get stopped tomorrow!!) but no one has ever approached me about it and I am around LEOs quite frequently. A 1911 with a proper holster and a good belt is pretty easy to carry for many people. Others may not feel comfortable or be able to conceal it.
Originally Posted by GreenHorn
April 24th, 2009 11:39 PM
I agree with you Dakota...I carried a stainless, Colt Combat Commander for years, with a Browning BDA 380 (14 shots) as a BUG....I no longer own anything but Glocks...so my primary carry is a G21SF with GNS, and a G30SF with GNS for my BUG...it's not an either or it's both....(as well as 2-G21 mags.) I've carried for 35 yrs now. I always dress around my carry pieces, as I'd rather do that than have to carry a gun that isn't up for whatever task may be asked of it. I am often around LEO, and although some know I always carry, I have never been made or asked if I was carrying by anyone, LEO or others. I agree that having some kind of gun is better than nothing...but if I can carry what I do on my 5'7", 180lb frame so can virtually anyone else who wants to CC on a daily basis. Sorry if this was too long of a post. Be safe all of you.
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April 25th, 2009 12:51 AM
Originally Posted by United93
Thanks, and I am making a good recovery.
I disagree that one must carry a heavy gun to be protected. I consider that I am as well protected with my G26 or Kahr P9 with the best ammo ( I carry Fed HST or Win Ranger T) as with a full size 1911. I don't think I am undergunned with the guns I carry incl .38 SPL .357, and even my .380. Each of us makes the decision and trade offs.
It may be childish, but some of us will not put up with much discomfort for several hours or a day. And in my view there is no reason to do so. I won't carry a gun that is uncomfortable. Somehow I have lived through a few years of that attitude. A gun can be both comfortable and comforting.
Considering the miniscule liklihood of ever needing a gun for protection, I am willing to take the risk with a KT P3AT instead of a full size 1911.
I might add that I know several LEOs who do not carry. I asked one at church a couple of Sundays ago why he did not carry off duty. (His duty gun is a 5 inch Kimber.) He said he got tired of carrying the gun all day, and did not want to carry it off duty. Of course, I did tell him he should get a Kahr P9 to carry off duty. Since he is on the SWAT team, has seen more than average violence, and does not think he needs to carry off duty, I believe that my guns are more than adequate.
Thanks again, and I appreciate the post.
April 25th, 2009 01:17 AM
I used to carry all the time and want to carry now, but alas I'm in school 5 days a week so no carry for me from 8AM - 4PM. The rest of the time I'm packin, except in church on Sunday cause it's not allowed in KS.
So I gues I split my time between carrying and wanting to carry these days. Though, not by choice.
When you've got 'em by the balls, their hearts & minds will follow. Semper Fi.
April 25th, 2009 01:31 AM
I keep a weapon on me or within arms reach unless I'm in the shower or engaged in my favorite sport.
even then at least one in close by.
April 25th, 2009 01:51 AM
First, welcome back Lima, it's good to see you on the forum again.
Originally Posted by limatunes
I agree that you are never out of options, until your dead.
On those occasions when I have to disarm and go to the airport, get in an airplane and defy gravity to some far off location, even in the "friendly skies" there are options. Ever take time to notice where the fire extinguishers are? They have to be accessible ya know. There are several options in an airliner cabin. (Just don't tell Osama.)
Also, one last point, I once heard someone say "better the pea-shooter in your pocket than the cannon in your car."
Personally, I prefer the cannon IWB.
It’s so much easier now days, to "Love and honor" my wife, when she is armed, and shoots a better group than I do. (Till death do us part, eh?)
“The way you get shot by a concealed weapons permit holder is, you point a gun at him,” the Sheriff said.
April 25th, 2009 02:43 AM
Do I want to carry? Yes, I most certainly do whenever possible. I'm a firm believer in carrying wherever it's legal to do so. I do it now as a CCW permitee almost 2 months. I did it the first 2 years as an armed security officer. A handgun is simply a "tool" that I use for various reasons.
I moved to Vegas in 1985 and started working as an armed security officer for 2 years. This was the first time I had ever carried a gun for a living. At first I found it quite exciting to be paid to carry a gun. After the first few weeks the handgun just became part of the uniform. It was just something that I came to accept as a "tool" that was part of the job.
Now I'm a CCW permitee and I'm in the same mindset. My Glock 26 is just something that I carry for my self protection. To quote a song I can't recall, "the thrill is gone..." so now I just put my G26 on as something that is part of getting dressed each day.
"Gun control is being able to hit your target."
April 25th, 2009 04:24 AM
Define mouse gun? I've seen people live with two shots from a .45 and I have seen people die with one shot from a .22. Also, because someone carries a lesser caliber than you do doesn't make them any less of a person. I don't see it as childish. They are still carrying a weapon and exercising their 2nd amendment right.
Originally Posted by United93
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April 25th, 2009 08:45 AM
Whether they live or die is not really relevant. The goal in self defense is not to kill the assailant, but to stop them as quickly as possible. Plenty of people have been killed by mortally wounded assailants.
Originally Posted by GLOCK23FAN
April 25th, 2009 10:10 AM
First off, this is an excellent thread with great comments. However, it appears as though the topic got derailed into “size matters” rather than carry/don’t carry, which I believe was your original point. Anyway, I agree that if we have it; we should carry it and not leave it elsewhere. Be it a mouse or lion, it’s still a weapon that’s capable of stopping a lethal act against my loved ones or me. Now, as stated in other threads I’m no sheepdog to strangers
(been there - done that) unless suddenly, the circumstances change or my sub-conscious compels me to do otherwise.
Back on point, I would feel quite vulnerable in public without protection. You know, that feeling you get when you’re half-way to town and then you realize you left your wallet or cell phone on the kitchen counter. It's sorta affects me in the same way and no; I don't always notice those signs "No Protection Allowed" in non-governmental buildings.
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“Monsters are real and so are ghosts. They live inside of us, and sometimes they win.”
~ Stephen King
April 25th, 2009 10:55 AM
I made the decision to carry after my son was born, and I realized how many people seem to think that a newborn or small child is public property. I have long since lost count of how many time I have had to tell complete strangers not to touch my son...a few haven't seen a problem with walking over and picking him up right out of the cart at the grocery store.
So far I have been very lucky and have been able to deal with all encounters with very direct clear cut directions to get away from my son, but just in case one day I come across that one person who will not respond to my verbal directions I want a way to back them up IMMEDIATELY! I don't want to have to wait for the police to show up(2-5 minutes or longer), take my statement (another 2-5 minutes), and then start looking for my child who at that point in time could be outside of town, or who knows what...
Now I haven't had the chance to get my CWP yet, because birth control doesn't work And we are due the first part of June, but I have bought a Kel Tec 380 for its concealment and the fact that I'm new to handguns and have broken my wrist a few times. Also, I have searched out a CWP class at our local range and informed my husband the if he would like to go on a date, we can go to the range at least twice a month...and that we are getting a family membership to the range, and he will be getting his CWP also.
So far, he has agreed with my plan, but only wants to carry once in a while...with two little ones in my care most of the day I plan to carry everywhere that it is legal.
April 25th, 2009 11:28 AM
I am sorry if I gave anyone the impression that I did not think a 'pocket pistol' could be effective in a gun fight. The fact of the matter is that larger guns are MORE effective.
When and if the SHTF, you will want as accurate, reliable, and powerful a gun as you can handle. You will not care about how it pokes you in the ribs when you lean over.
Last edited by United93; April 25th, 2009 at 12:33 PM.
April 25th, 2009 11:33 AM
Originally Posted by GLOCK23FAN
April 25th, 2009 11:43 AM
For myself I figured I'd start small and work my way up to the largest caliber I can accurately handle...and work build up my wrist strength in the process.
Originally Posted by United93
If ever I do end up in a situation where I have to draw and fire on a BG, then I want to know that the BG is going down as fast as possible and not getting back up. So, small or large it comes down to what I can handle accurately. I'd love to have a .45, but I wouldn't get off more than 2-3 shots before I would have to switch hands and then I might hit a barn at 3' I'm working on that.
April 25th, 2009 11:56 AM
Little guns are difficult to shoot well. In particular the recoil tends to be pretty brisk, even with mild calibers like the .380. The round may not be very powerful, but the gun has very little mass to absorb the recoil. I'd say that a full size .45 would probably be easier for someone sensitive to recoil to shoot than a tiny .380 like the Kel-Tec. Have you tried shooting a larger, steel framed gun in 9mm or .45? The heavier the gun, the easier the recoil is going to be to handle.
Originally Posted by mamakennedy
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