This is a discussion on thugs over the weekend within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Captain Crunch If you could be wrong, then don't post. Don't guess or speculate. If this is Florida law, then say so. ...
Hey, imagine that, I could be wrong. Some other posters say it a bit different, "I am not a lawyer and I don't play one on TV". And guess what, I never stayed at a "Holiday Inn Express".
So let me get this right. If I say it's true 100% right on the button. Then it is OK to post. And no one has to investigate any further. BUT if I prefix my post with something that means "Don't take my word for it look it up" because your actions may cause Death and or Jail time for you. I get the old Stink eye?
The law is Not so straight forward, because everyone tries to bend it to their advantage.
I remember some guy on the witness stand arguing about the meaning of the word "IS". Imagine that.
I believe this forum is to be a guide for us to help with the Great responsibility of Defensive Carry. Not an end all to the Law.
So I will add, to the objections from my fingers . Florida Law (According to the book "FLORIDA FIREARMS Law, Use & Ownership by Jon H. Gutmacher, Esq---(which is the Firearm Bible here in Florida, "A must have")) states that the use of deadly force can be used to stop a "Forcible Felony".
Now it gets tricky, I wont list all the "Forcible Felonies" But the one described by the OP could OR could not be a "Forcible Felony" now written as "FF". Was the one guy alone just going to punch him? = not a FF
Were they going to beat him till he needed a hospital visit? = Yes a FF. just because one guy says he alone is going to fight, doesn't make it so. Were they going to rob him? = Yes a FF. Many more nuances I wont go into just now. (Anyone that has read this far Is real happy about that I bet)
Also to quote the Author Jon H. Gutmacher, Esq Quote "When can you use Deadly Force? Hummmm, tough question. The answer? Well truthfully -- whenever your not prosecuted for it" Unquote.
But Hey don't take my word for it, because you know what? I could be wrong.
"[A]rms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. . . Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them."
- Thomas Paine, Thoughts On Defensive War, 1775
Hey, don't be so sensitive. You missed the point of my post.But Hey don't take my word for it, because you know what? I could be wrong.
You said:I was merely saying that you, being a Florida resident, must know if Florida law says you have the right to defend yourself if you believe you are in fear of great bodily harm or death. Saying "I could be wrong," implied that you were unsure that that's what Florida law says.I could be wrong but here in Florida you have the right to defend yourself, if you believe you are in fear of great bodily harm or death.
When you’re wounded and left on Afghanistan’s plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains,
And go to your God like a soldier.
being from parts of California in my life that has had myself in situations similar but of course not the same I don't find it so hard to believe that there could be this much trouble in one area.
I am physically different than most (albino) so whether I portray myself as one thing or another I tended to get bothered more than most; just as a good friend of mine does being a person with CP. I have been threatened out of the blue for no other reason than because I am different or maybe appear vulnerable I don't honestly know but at least in CA it happens almost every day where someone is killed or seriously injured in such incidents
Here in WA there have been several assaults on trials and the such so SA is a necessity; if I feel I am being followed I do look or alter course if I can. I now carry wherever I go not be cause I am paranoid, or looking for trouble nor do I feel trouble is looking for me but there have been enough times in my life I really wished I had that last option to defend myself and since I do have some physical disabilities that are non apparent I would be in real trouble if even two guys decided to pick a fight..
So to the OP stay safe but I do agree a new neighborhood may be in order :-)
Just figured I'd give you a quick FYI....this guy is completely full of hot air, and should not be given the time of day.
I thought something about his writing style looked familiar, but the email confirms it: he's a former member of the local forum, who was banned several times for posting outlandish and wildly unbelievable stories about needing to draw down on evil racist thugs who were seemingly stalking him at every turn. IIRC, he also created false S/Ns, which were then banned as well. One thread of his, which I found particularly entertaining, was titled something like "Carrying While Black", and was full of his woe-is-me, racist nonsense.
IMO, this gentleman is probably not someone that we want representing our online community.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil...