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Sorry about your situation. Maybe let it blow over for awhile then start caring it in your car.
A quick question how long did it take you to receive your CPL from the state of Michigan?
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The perspective of your boss is obviously not wanting the power of authority changed. By stating your ccw or have gun in car to him obviously means I better get my annual pay increases, no layoff's, etc.
Doctorw is right, I would not be surprised if they allow themselves to carry. I think you have your answers from the good people here regarding do not tell. And I dissagree completely with allowing time to pass to then carry in car again. To find alternative parking is wise, make it happen. However, understand that this employer's mindset will be negative of you even if you park offsite, now that you disclosed. Something to think about in your future there.
"When Democracy Becomes Tyranny I STILL get to vote."
"Do not fear those who disagree with you; fear those that do and are too cowardly to admit it" - Napoleon
Don't carry on work property. If your car gets broken into and gun gets stolen, you would need to disclose to police. Now its a public record where your employer can find out.
With the job market the way it is and especially in Michigan, not worth it. You will find that most companies have a "N0 Weapons" policy.
"When the people fear the government you have tyranny...when the government fears the people you have liberty."
--Thomas Jefferson --
FWIW, I would obey the rules now that you have a direct "no" from the boss, but I would go face to face with him (NON-confrontationally) and try to get a feel for why... if it becomes something more than a yes/no question and you are respectful and truly interested in your boss's input, you may make more progress... if not in allowing the gun, at least getting him thinking in terms of safety, which can lead to policy change.
Something to consider for future situations is that while easier for the asker-for-permission, email puts answers in writing; it does not impart the proper emotional "heartbeat" to the request; and it forces the giver-of permission into a short yes/no response... often more is achieved by a short, heartfelt "in real life" conversation and discussion about an issue.
If I were an employer, I would consider the liability associated with putting in writing permission to carry firearms on my place of business, especially without really thinking out policy, qualifications, etc. I would be very likely to allow it if the employee came to me in person, I could see that they were serious, respectful, and in appearances- competent to use good judgement. I would not casually put permission in writing though, at least not without full lawyer guidance!!!
Good luck with the choices before you, I hope you can resolve this issue with your employer in a mutually respectful manner.
obey company policy, park off-site, or get another job.
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The motto referred to (above) is Always carry, never tell.
Words to live by, my friend.
Amen my brother!
That said, I would not carry into the premises. But I would have it locked in my truck!
To err is human.
To forgive is divine.
Neither of which is Marine Corps policy.
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Because jobs are hard to find in Michigan right now I would have to agree with others about parking off property.
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I work for a small company and one of the owners is actually my father in law.
they issued their first "employee handbook" a couple of years ago, and it contains a no weapons on company property rule. I asked my father in law about it (off the clock) and he said it was a suggestion by his lawyer and if somebody has a weapon in their car he just doesn't want to know. by the way we have two BB guns that we shoot behind the shop on break and the owners usually come out and shoot with us so i think the rule is just there for some legal reason.
Actually you did what you thought was the right thing.
But remember Always Carry, Never Tell.
If you tell one person and he tells two friends, who tell two friends who tell...
Disclaimer: The posts made by this member are only the members opinion, not a reflection on anyone else, nor the group, and should not be cause for anyone to get their undergarments wedged in an uncomfortable position.
Final note: I sat down twice with my employer and talked with him. I ran the scenario by him about an employee who hunts having his shotgun in his truck at work. He replied, saying it's diff. because it would only be a day or two out of the week, and he would have no idea it's there because they don't have a way to police everyone's car. Anyway I'm done talking about this now. Thanks for everyone's input.