My sister's neighbor is flashing his CC gun
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May 4th, 2009 07:16 PM
Call it whatever you like but a police report should be made on this guy ASAP. Tell her to go down to the police station if she doesn't want a cop car in front of her house. She should tell her neighbors to do the same.
Question - Isn't there a county sheriff she can go to before the state police? Just curious.
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May 4th, 2009 07:20 PM
Possibly. If the neighbor had intent to terrorize.
Originally Posted by dtweeks
If there are several neighbors with the same experiences as those described above this could apply.
I think the best course would be for LeCalsey to start by speaking to his sister( maybe his BIL would be better) and try to find out exactly why they (or maybe just she) felt menaced. Isn't it possible that she is operating under the mistaken notion that anyone who carries is legally obligated to carry concealed? Many Pennsylvania residents(including those who should know better) are. Isn't it possible that she simply feels uncomfortable seeing an unconcealed pistol and, thinking that she has witnessed a crime, believed that there was a menacing component to the neighbor's behavior? Of course it is.
I agree the best course would be to start with an inquiry with the State Police.
All we know is that LeCalsey's mother told him that his sister told her that she felt threatened.
I agree wholeheartedly.
Good luck, I sure it's tough being your familly and not being there to help.
I hope I'm not giving you the wrong impression. If this guy is acting inappropriately he should be locked up. I'm just trying to make you aware that the possibility exists that he has done absolutely nothing wrong. Judging from the information you have posted I think it's a very strong possibility. I know my sister would freak out if she saw a pistol on her neighbor.
May 4th, 2009 07:28 PM
You mentioned that other neighbors have experienced this also. If the complainant's name is left off of the report, it could have been any of the neighbors. Just a thought.
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May 4th, 2009 07:29 PM
I think if I were in her position I would be simply go out and get myself a nice big 45 in a fancy open carry holster something that just says "HI" and do the gardening with it on. Then when he came out and showed his gun I would just turn and say very kindly "thats a nice weapon you have there how do you like mine?"
May 4th, 2009 07:38 PM
A month ago I would have agreed with you until I found this:
Originally Posted by unloved
United States Sentencing Guidelines (U. S. S. G.)
§1B1.1 GUIDELINES MANUAL November 1, 2007
– 16 –
PART B - GENERAL APPLICATION PRINCIPLES
§1B1.1. Application Instructions
1....(C) "Brandished" with reference to a dangerous weapon (including a firearm) means that all or part of the weapon was displayed, or the presence of the weapon was otherwise made known to another person, in order to intimidate that person, regardless of whether the weapon was directly visible to that person. Accordingly, although the dangerous weapon does not have to be directly visible, the weapon must be present.
May 4th, 2009 07:43 PM
There is no law on Brandishing here in PA and yes we are an open carry state in that there is no law that makes it illegal hence thats what makes it legal
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May 4th, 2009 07:53 PM
Call the state police and inform them of your concerns, and tell them you would like to file a report...a paper trail is important.
Originally Posted by LeCalsey
I would avoid this individual like the 'Swine Flu'. (any similarities here are purely coincidental)
Stay armed...stay away from 'crazies'...stay safe!
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May 4th, 2009 08:05 PM
May 4th, 2009 08:15 PM
Why don't you go knock on his front door and ask him what's going on?
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May 4th, 2009 08:36 PM
You mentioned this took place over a period of a couple years. Why didn't she contact police after the first incindent or two?
IANAL, but I'm wondering if this fact would cause problems for your sister if (heaven forbid) a true SD situation arose. Would a prosecuting attorney argue that she couldn't have been justified in an armed response because it wasn't ever necessary in the prior two years (i.e., that the guy was harmless and your sister should have known it based on the other times)?
May 4th, 2009 08:44 PM
That's why everyone is saying to file a police report, it starts a paper trail to show an ongoing problem.
Originally Posted by coltrane59
IMHO anybody who says do not file a report is doing so in poor judgment. Even if it is determined he is no threat, then no blood no foul.
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May 5th, 2009 12:22 AM
To answer the original question, I would speak to a LEO about what can be done. If this is a pattern of sorts, one would hate to see it escalate and not recognize the escalation. Taking the information that is given at face value, if it truely is intimidation, then start some sort of a paper trail, even if it's something as simple as a personal log for reference sake. Also can you say "video recorder"? If this is not an intimidation issue, then a couple of options present depending on how well this individual is known. Friendly approach, neighbor to neighbor. Or just let LEO address him.
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May 5th, 2009 12:48 AM
That's the point I was going to make. PA is an OC state but he is CCing. Without a CC permit?? I think I would call the local LEO and have that checked out. Even if he is legally CCing (I doubt that), he is obviously trying to "intimidate". That IS illegal.
Originally Posted by yetidave
May 5th, 2009 07:23 AM
As you respond to the thread------remember HE IS ON HIS OWN PROPERTY. Doubt if you need a CCW to carry on your own dirt.
Just be very sure of your response and action, because whatever can of worms that gets opened will never return to it original state. Some people are hard to read, are you sure--absolutely that the yard work being done is not on his property? or that he may believe it's his property. Z
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May 5th, 2009 08:14 AM
Yes, in my opinion that is banishing, and it certainly tells a very clear story of what kind of person this is: a true accident waiting to happen.
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