My sister's neighbor is flashing his CC gun

My sister's neighbor is flashing his CC gun

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    My sister's neighbor is flashing his CC gun

    My parents are down visiting for the weekend. My mother tells me about a situation with my sister and their "odd" neighbor. Over the last weekend, my sister and her husband were on the side lot clearing overgrown ivy. The neighbor comes out of the hous and pulls up his shirt to show them his CC handgun as if to say don't mess with me. Evidently this was not the first occasion.

    Question: Is that considered brandishing in PA? I don't think it would be here in Florida as his hand was never on the gun. It is a grey area here because of the intimidation tactic though. Anyone know the answer in PA?

    I want to give here some advise and my gut tells me she shoud inform a LEO and file a complaint. My mother is worried about an escallation of hostility and what appears to be an unstable CC(?) individual.

    Thoughts and suggestions please
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    I think she should report the incident to start a paper trail then arm herself if she is not already. If something were to happen in the future she would have a documented report to the fact.
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    Um yeah that is brandishing IMO. Rottkeeper is correct.
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    She is in a tough spot. If she rats on him, he will know she did it. If she doesn't, he will keep up this behavior. It's not a win for anyone. She is looking to me for answers (knowing my background) but I don't have a ready answer for her

    If it were me, I have no doubt as to how it would be handled. I know the laws here enough to make a decision. PA is a totally different state.

    He stays on his property and I think he can even OC on his own property but his behavior is most definately meant to be an intimidation.

    Another concern to me......is this someone a member on this forum?
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    I concur with the above posts.

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    +1 on her being armed, if not already. Also on filing a complaint, perhaps he is not legally CCing. If it were my neighbor, I would want the local PD to know about it. And in Utah, that is brandishing. I think because of the way it was done, it would be brandishing anywhere.
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    I would think that could be considered brandishing, it's definitely considered that here in my state of WV.

    There is a post here about a 9 y/o boy who's step-dad was shot and killed by an odd neighbbor after an argument about the kid being on the shooter's property.

    Got to ask what the reasons for the seemingly bad blood between your sister and the neighbor? I'd report him, but then again, that report could just escalate an already tense situation. I feel for you, and hope some kind of agreement can be reached before the gunfire erupts.
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    Isn't PA an open carry state?

    If that is the case I don't think that what you described is brandishing, at least the way I read it.

    My suggestion is that you talk to your sister and get the information from her or your brother in law first hand. We all know how reliable second or third hand information can be. Nothing against your mom, but getting the description from the person that saw the inccident would be very helpful in my view.

    How long has your sister and her husband lived next door to this "odd" fellow, and what has the relationship been like in the past?

    I think more info is needed before suggesting that she call the leo's in on this one.
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    She is armed at home anyway. She could not grow up with me in my house without getting the training and the practice when we were kids. My dad is a Marine DI and saw to it that we all had range time from 6 years on up. She has at least one of my old shotguns at home and maybe more. We had so many growing up, she kept at least one.

    I feel that she should go to the Township police with a good description of his CC gun to file a complaint. She has seen it 4 or 5 times now and this dude is not very friendly.
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    goodsoul, how can someone like that get a cc? Thats messed up. You are between a rock and hard place but personaly, I'd let the local officals know and keep my children and myself disconnected from that nut. It sucks but a suppose a complete last resort would be to move.

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    Do your sister and her husband have their CC permits? I would not be out in my yard unarmed with a neighbor like that.

    If I didn't have my permit, I might OC in my yard in such a situation (while I was waiting for my permit to be processed). But I can understand your sis and her husband not wanting to appear to be escalating the situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeCalsey View Post
    She is in a tough spot. If she rats on him, he will know she did it. If she doesn't, he will keep up this behavior. It's not a win for anyone. She is looking to me for answers (knowing my background) but I don't have a ready answer for her

    If it were me, I have no doubt as to how it would be handled. I know the laws here enough to make a decision. PA is a totally different state.

    He stays on his property and I think he can even OC on his own property but his behavior is most definately meant to be an intimidation.

    Another concern to me......is this someone a member on this forum?
    She needs to arm herself and open carry on her property LOL That will get the message to the neighbor. Seriously, she needs a paper trail with the police.

    Quote Originally Posted by farronwolf View Post
    Isn't PA an open carry state?

    If that is the case I don't think that what you described is brandishing, at least the way I read it.

    My suggestion is that you talk to your sister and get the information from her or your brother in law first hand. We all know how reliable second or third hand information can be. Nothing against your mom, but getting the description from the person that saw the inccident would be very helpful in my view.

    How long has your sister and her husband lived next door to this "odd" fellow, and what has the relationship been like in the past?

    I think more info is needed before suggesting that she call the leo's in on this one.
    It would still be brandishing due to the way it was revealed. If he was walking around open carrying that is one thing but to have it covered and show it is doing it in a menacing way. That is brandishing.

    I have lived next to a crazy person so I get where your question about the relationship previous is coming from.

    We had some neighbors who were very nice for a few years and then they found out that we were believers and went to church. Then it was on.

    I wont go into the details but they were very, very scarry times. We ended up moving everything into a U-Haul during the night. We moved and quit claimed our place to the lender. 5 acres it was. We sowed it as a seed and now are living on 25 acres.

    I swore I would never put up with a crazy neighbor again and that situation is one of the reasons I carry.
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    http://www.pa-aware.org/reporting/pdfs/E-14.pdf

    Here is a link to the PA State Police. Call and ask the question and get some advice.

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    Does the neighbor own their home? If not you could contact the landlord and file with a LEO.
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    Neighbor does not own. He is a renter. The original owner died a few years back and his sone now rents it out to this crackpot.
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