This is a discussion on Why you don't notify you are carrying within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by thebigdl86 I couldnt even finish reading the thread. That dccop or whatever his name was sounded like an arrogant SOB! I agree, ...
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Interesting perspective from the LEO side. However, some of them were down right disturbing. Oh well, I guess I'll have to wait to go to heaven where everything is fair (I hope so, anyway).
We aren't required to notify Law enforcement, but I always do. really believe that the officer should be advised that there's a gun in the car. When stopped, I have my license, registration, and CCW in my hand, and my hands on the wheel. I ask the officer how he wants to proceed. I've never been disarmed, and all of the officers have been great. I've been pulled 3 times, and only once was I given a ticket.
The officers on that other board were scary. The one that thinks that I might shoot him because I've had a bad day was an idiot. The last thing that I will do is risk my life and my freedom. What these guys don't realize is that those of us who go to the trouble of going through the training, etc to get our permits aren't the one's who they need to be worried about. I'm telling them that I'm armed. It's the criminal (not the CCWs that choose not to inform) that they need to worry about. WE"RE THE GOOD GUYS!
I've kept up with that forum for a long time. Most the officers there are on power trips and are not an example of your normal LEO's. Many on there believe that they are the law and can do whatever they want. If you don't like it take it up with the courts if you have the time and money.
Most the cops I know are like the rest of us. They just want to do a good job and then relax and have fun after a hard day at work.
"The constitution was written when slavery was popular, kicking indians off there land was cool and when women didnt have the vote. Times change buddy. The 2nd amendment is somewhat outdated."
I can't say in public how that makes me feel!
I have great respect for most LEOs. I have two older brothers that are former LEOs and three nephews who are currently LEOs, but the guy that wrote that? Sorry....
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so if you do get pulled over for <pick a reason> when the officer asks for you drivers License why not just hand them your permit at the same time and say "I'm carrying 'this' gun, if you would like me to disarm I will be happy to comply"
I think that would be better than waiting for the officer to ask. And if an officer "throws you over the hood of your car" I think that guy needs to be retrained and I would be writing a letter to the PD and the Mayor of the town in which he patrols.
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All I require is courtesy and a minimum of force. I show him my HCP and Drivers License. This already shows that I am a law abiding citizen who has complied with the law. I can understand him probably wanting to disarm me. Fine, as long as he is courteous and uses a minimum of force to do it (and I remain courteous!) I would also expect him to give some sort of explanation of why. A simple " I will need to disarm you until we are finished here" would suffice. then I know there is a real purpose and a time limit to the procedure.
We have people who are "cowboys" and "wannabes" with anger management issues who have HCPs, so I can see the safety factor in disarming me before he starts issuing me a ticket that is going to upset me. Keeps both of us alive! If he gets disrespectful, arrogant, or overly physical at any point, he has left the game plan and I will see that action is carried out against him by some authority, later. Never get into a shouting contest with any authority figure. If they have already entered the "arrogant" mode, you are in a real lose-lose situation. Get away and report them later.
Most of the posters in the linked post were LEOs from large urban areas. I have lived in big cities most of my life. They are the cesspools of humanity. For every law abiding "good" citizen there is a scumbag. The low life all migrate to the cities (easier pickings!) These are the primary contacts for LEOs all day in the city. A very strong "us and them" culture develops and I don't really believe anybody in daily contact with it can resist it. The cop acts like everybody is a BG because he has a 50% chance at random that the subject is a BG. If the LEO wants to stay alive, he stays alert, and in some cases overly alert.
I retired to a small community. I know all of the local cops. The sheriff is the husband of my former school principal (I'm a retired teacher) and I go to church with the Judge and his family. The police are friendly and courteous. But the ratio of GG to BG probably runs 100 to 1 in this community, so most people that the police see every day are GGs. Cities have been this way since ancient times and little villages have been quiet, happy places since the same times.
BTW, I retired from the USMC at 30 years because I was in receipt of orders to Washington, D.C. to be a monitor/detailer. I would have taken orders to Iraq but I haven't done anything bad enough in my life to be sent to DC!
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I've been over the Pennsylvania page at handgunlaw.us several times but I never noticed it mention that a person carrying needed to inform LE during a traffic stop. I guess no mention means it's not required.
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Thankyou for that "patrol".
Being a Deputy Marshal myself, I really can appreciate what you are saying. I also understand that some cops are really ate up with the "us vs. them" mentality, more so if they come from a big dept. Most of the cops that I know, in this county simply do not display the arrogance and limited mentalitys that many do there. I know that there are some great cops that post there frequently, but it does seems that they are overwhelmed by loudmouths at times that insist that their way is the only way, without possessing the common sense to understand that it aint that way everywhere, so there is no sense arguing about it. I'll be the first to admit it can be entertaining to read some of the posts, but the misinformation and distortions and whining are too much for me to waste much time with.Its a pity too, because there can be some good info there as well as some outstanding officers to talk to.Besides that, the Liberals there outnumber the Conservatives and I just cant stand that "thought" process.
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