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    With ammo being scarce, would manual racking be a subistitute to see if ammo is feeding correctly?

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    Manually racking a semi-auto to see if a given brand of ammo feeds reliably is only a partial test.

    If the ammo under test fails to feed with manual racking, then it's a good bet that it won't feed with live fire. You can try cleaning and lubing the gun, having the feed ramp polished, etc. to see if this can be overcome.

    But if the ammo under test feeds reliably with manual racking, that doesn't guarantee that it will feed reliably with live fire. This is because the recoil force might not be adequate, and you can only test that through live fire.

    In any case, most people seem to recommend that you don't bet your life on a given gun/ammo combination until you've had 200 trouble-free rounds of live fire. This of course only applies if you intend this particular combination for self defense. If it's just cheap practice ammo, you can usually afford a few failures to feed as a tradeoff that gains you more practice time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mfcmb View Post
    Manually racking a semi-auto to see if a given brand of ammo feeds reliably is only a partial test.

    If the ammo under test fails to feed with manual racking, then it's a good bet that it won't feed with live fire. You can try cleaning and lubing the gun, having the feed ramp polished, etc. to see if this can be overcome.

    But if the ammo under test feeds reliably with manual racking, that doesn't guarantee that it will feed reliably with live fire. This is because the recoil force might not be adequate, and you can only test that through live fire.

    In any case, most people seem to recommend that you don't bet your life on a given gun/ammo combination until you've had 200 trouble-free rounds of live fire. This of course only applies if you intend this particular combination for self defense. If it's just cheap practice ammo, you can usually afford a few failures to feed as a tradeoff that gains you more practice time.
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    You guys are quick! Thought maybe I had a brilliant idea. Firing live rounds my LCP does fine but the other day I was trying this out and found that it would not always fully return when "sling shotting" to rack.

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    Another NO !
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    Quote Originally Posted by bassmaster91 View Post
    You guys are quick! Thought maybe I had a brilliant idea. Firing live rounds my LCP does fine but the other day I was trying this out and found that it would not always fully return when "sling shotting" to rack.
    This same thing happened in my Keltec P11. FMJ's will load fine when racking the slide. However, if you didnt slingshot the slide just right the slide wont go forward and the round wouldnt chamber.

    But... Ive run several hundred HP's through the gun and they cycle fine. A polishing of the feed ramp took care of the issue plus all those rounds.

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    Another source of a non feed problem could be a misaligned or damaged magazine. or short a short round such as Corbon in certain gun brands

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    Quote Originally Posted by AllAmerican View Post
    I couldnt disagree more.
    Can you expand on this a little bit more? I am interested in your reasoning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mfcmb View Post
    Manually racking a semi-auto to see if a given brand of ammo feeds reliably is only a partial test.

    If the ammo under test fails to feed with manual racking, then it's a good bet that it won't feed with live fire. You can try cleaning and lubing the gun, having the feed ramp polished, etc. to see if this can be overcome.

    But if the ammo under test feeds reliably with manual racking, that doesn't guarantee that it will feed reliably with live fire. This is because the recoil force might not be adequate, and you can only test that through live fire.

    In any case, most people seem to recommend that you don't bet your life on a given gun/ammo combination until you've had 200 trouble-free rounds of live fire. This of course only applies if you intend this particular combination for self defense. If it's just cheap practice ammo, you can usually afford a few failures to feed as a tradeoff that gains you more practice time.
    This post pretty well says what I believe. If the gun/ammo combination doesn't work with manual racking, I'm not interested in wasting ammo by live fire. But if manual racking works, then I'm happier about testing for live fire reliability.
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