If you break the law, you may get pulled over. I think everyone already knew that.
This is a discussion on Just a thought... within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I had an LEO encounter while carrying, NOT because of anything I did, but because I got rearended at a traffic light. So, you may ...
I had an LEO encounter while carrying, NOT because of anything I did, but because I got rearended at a traffic light.
So, you may have need to interact with a LE officer without doing anything wrong! Don't overlook that possibility.
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If you break the law, you may get pulled over. I think everyone already knew that.
I think it's pretty widely acknowledged that speed limits are set much lower than traffic actually moves in most of the country. Although police can pull you over for doing 40 in a 35 zone, most of the time they won't unless they're suspicious and want a reason to pull you over and talk to you.
In a nutshell: everyone speeds sometimes. Everyone occasionally fails to signal the requisite 100 ft before the turn or lane change. Everyone will have a tail light or brake light go out and not notice. (How often are you behind your own car when it's running?)
So please don't take a better-than-you attitude toward people who get pulled over. If you get pulled over for speeding, it's your fault because you knew the rules -- but you're also feeling the effects of a system that's set up in such a way that you're passively encouraged to break minor rules.
Just wondering, as there is no requirement in Florida to notify the officer you are carrying, regardless of her opinion.
This is important, for if you are expected to obey the cop even when he/she is wrong, that is a real problem.
Anti-gunners seem to believe that if we just pass enough laws, we can have utopia. Unfortunately, utopia is NOT one of our choices.
The two times I have been pulled over in the last ten years was for... drum roll please... not using a turn signal when moving over into the newly formed lane for exiting the interstate. It was my understanding, and was confirmed by the Sheriff in Williamson County that when the lane begins, there are no white dashed lines and a turn signal is not necessary. It is when the dashed lines start that identifies that there could be traffic that needs to know your intentions to move over. Nether officer wrote me a ticket. They both warned me verbally to use my turn signals at all times. I DO!!! When it makes sense to do so.
My last traffic citation was January 2nd 1992... 61 in a 55 in Las Cruses New Mexico. $140 for 6 miles over in 1992.
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One other thing I will point out that I don't think others have. Not all states require LEO notification of carrying. So these posts can give the people that live in states where it is not required an idea of the best option to consider when they are in that situation.
I'll add some of my experiences to the mix:
I've been pulled over for doing something stupid when I was 16 (ticketed)
Also around then when my taillights were out and I didn't know it.
A couple years ago I was pulled over at night when I had pulled out of a gas station on to a very well lit street and didn't realize my lights weren't on (officer completely understood, no ticket).
Once I "supposedly" ran a red light, but I think it was yellow when I hit the white line. But I will say this, that was one super short yellow light. Thing is, I was going the speed limit the whole time and I saw the officer waiting to my right at the same traffic light. I wouldn't have tried to "beat" a red light in front of the guy.(ticketed)
And then I was pulled over once more a couple years ago for doing around 35 in a 25 at like 11 PM in the middle of nowhere (no ticket).
Point is, no one is perfect...some people (not me) would ask why you carry a gun, why not put yourself in a position like that in the first place. And I would say again, there are too many variables that can occur.
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I think it's funny that Navdoc hasn't even replied to his own thread.... anyways...
What about the person who has a brake light out that they don't know about? duh! Or some one who is pulled over because their car matches the discription of somebody they are looking for? I love that people like to get upset at other people without even thinking of all the variables.
Protection is a responsibility not just a right.
I think if you get pulled over once in your life you should never ever be allowed to drive a motor vehicle again. Shame on you! For crying out loud what were you thinking??? We need big government to step up to the plate here. I mean seriously guys, who really wants someone driving on the road who has been pulled over? Wake up America!
Further more I have heard of people getting stopped by the police just for walking down the street. Why, well because they just happen to be looking for a BG who kinda sorta looks like YOU. Hummm, you really should have prevented that one. I mean come on, get with the program. We should all have an up to date pictorial of all the BG's who the police are looking for so we won't look like one of those guys. That goes for cars too. "Amber Alert, looking for 2001 green ford focus" oh shoot, that's what I am driving. Oh bugger!!! Shame on me, I should have been thinking better Oh I am a ferretheaded fool!!!
By the way, I have been pulled over what I can recall at least 10 times. 9 of which all happened between age 17 and 22. I believe I have been ticketed only 3 times. I have been pulled over for mostly not obeying traffic rules. However, I have been pulled over for somethings that were not my fault at all. I was abiding in the law. I now have a clean driving record
Anyways, I must say I don't really see the point of the OP. But that's ok.
Oh and I will be having a very serious talk to my kid who threw a gum wrapper out my window while I was driving in a very law abiding way the other day....
I knew there was a DUI checkpoint in my area, so I armed myself and went for a motorcycle ride just so I could check it out.
Where is the OP?
Driving through a small town at 3 A.M.
Driving through a neighborhood when the color of your skin doesn't match the locals.
Driving through a small town with an out of state tag.
I have been pulled over for all of the above. I'm sure there are many more reasons to be pulled over.
Some of the others have responded with better worded versions of my own thoughts than I would likely write, so I'm going to try a story.
When I was still single, probably 1991 or so, I was coming home from my girlfriend's house late one night and driving through the tiny town of Mariemont. It was no place to be speeding and I was always careful, at least that's what I thought. I was doing about 36 mph through the town square when flashers lit up behind me. So I pulled over and rolled down my window. A cop came up and asked me if I was headed to a fire or something. He said he clocked me doing 36 mph. At this point in my life I'd been a good boy for a long time and I was really blown away that anyone would want to give me grief over 1 mph. There was quite a pause while I tried to figure out what to say. Nothing brilliant comes to me. Finally, I say, "Officer, are you really sure you have the right car?" It wasn't nasty, more of a tired, confused, query. Well, I wasn't quite ready for what happened next. The guy started to speak, it turned into a snort, and then he's just standing in the street laughing. He told me that the signage was pretty poor, but the area right through the town square was 25 mph. I guess when you're looking at taking a bullet every time you pull someone over, maybe it's some nice comic relief to come across someone who genuinely thought he was in the right and isn't going to argue about the ticket. And I didn't get that ticket. He was still laughing when he walked back to his car. It was one of the first of many things that made me reexamine some of my views on the police.
But I thought I was being careful at the time and sure didn't realize I was speeding!
The hard reality of it, is that every jurisdiction in America is broke. I've seen a proliferation of more speed-traps, safety checkpoints, and borderline harassment stops, being formally conducted by many agencies. BTW: Some of you folks may have heard that Phoenix area has the highest density of speed cameras of anywhere, second only to places in Europe.
Now, just so you know that I don’t have an axe to grind, I’m about as squeaky clean as you can get these days’ or at least since about 1987. My insurance rates are lower than most anyone I know, and I like that! So with this preamble, I still contend that you stand a better chance of being pulled over for close to nothing, than in any other time in recorded history.
Just 2~3 weeks ago I was on my way home from routine shopping as I passed the sector DPS sub-station when a unit pulled out and was behind me. As a normal response I was more deliberate with my signals, turns, etc. As we both entered the freeway, the officer began cloaking me off-axes in my blind spot. Initially, I dismissed it as nothing although after about 2-miles it was more apparent. Now, I did have one of those anti-camera plastic shields over my rear plate, which is not currently illegal in Arizona. This is likely why he was fishing’ me. He then moved over right behind me as he flipped on his code lights as I began to safely pull over. He then quickly accelerated and took off like a bat out of hell. BTW: It was just us two on the road, so it wasn't a case of mistaken identity.
When I arrived home I removed the plate cover that I had on my car for 3-years without compromise. So yes indeed, and back on topic, you can get pulled over for practically anything. It doesn’t matter how law-abiding, clean or new your car is, or that I had disable-vet plates, etc. Nobody is spared and it is a game, and unfortunately we’re the targets of revenue.
Last edited by Saber; May 9th, 2009 at 08:43 PM.
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