This is a discussion on Intervention Rule? within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; #3 . it would depend on the situation and circumstances, if I actively become involved or not. I would call 911 if needed. Alot depends ...
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Absolute "For me and mine, ONLY!"
I'll NOT stand idly by.
Primarily "for me and mine," but may intervene under certain conditions.
I don't honestly know.
March 6th, 2006 05:18 PM
#3 . it would depend on the situation and circumstances, if I actively become involved or not. I would call 911 if needed. Alot depends on who needs what kind of help. As if I had my lids with me or not.
March 6th, 2006 05:37 PM
Good topic. Like the atmosphere.
I choose to not stand idle. I carry for my protection, my families protection and the innocent victims who don't have the means to defend themselves for whatever (irrelevent) reason. Just because someone chooses not to carry a firearm doesn't mean they have any less privilege of being defended.
I couldn't look myself in the mirror the next day and be proud of myself if I could have stopped something and somebody got hurt or killed because of my inaction.
That being said, if I didn't know or couldn't tell if the 'victim' was an innocent victim or if they provoked the attack, then it's time to err on the side of caution and use the very least amount of force. Basically tell them to stop then spray everyone involved down with OC in a sort of spray and pray. Everyone with a clenched fist gets a one second burst for starters. Then we go from there.
Every situation is different and I may stay back in some, but for the most part my rule is if it happens around me it it my business and I will do what I can to help out. My fiance already knows if I go to clear leather or tell her to leave to not question my words/ actions and just do it.
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March 6th, 2006 06:12 PM
St Augustine solved this problem for me about 1600 yrs ago- so-called "Just War" theory. You may intervene,and you should, when 1. there is imminent danger to the innocent;2. intervention with force is the only effective choice; 3. you use proportionate force, sufficient to stop the attack, but not gratuitous punishment;4. there is a reasonable chance of success; 5.you believe you will do more good than bad, where the lives of aggressors are not counted as worthless, but are due less weight than innocent persons.
Now, no one can run through this very carefully at the time- you need to reflect on it in advance as much as possible. This is my Christian understanding. You may kill someone if it is necessary to protect the innocent, especially the defenceless, children, women and so on.
To do so is NOT a sin, and the Church teaches this as I have stated it.
Admittedly these are the views of my faith tradition- others have other views and I honor those.
Six for sure...Uh, I mean Five. Five for sure..
March 6th, 2006 07:39 PM
Being an agnostic, I just have to ask!
Would you then say St. Augustine could be "our" patron Saint of Concealed Carry? (Prob'ly shouldn't have posted this.)
mm < who sometimes cannot help himself!
Political Correctness has now "evolved" into Political Cowardice.
March 6th, 2006 07:44 PM
I knew we'd get some "Honestly don't know" answers, those are not really hard to understand.
And thanks to those who chose to add their votes to the "Me and mine, alone" catagory. Maybe not the most popular choice, but I was looking for honesty, thank you for providing that.
I hope this thread and poll continues on a while longer. The bigger sampling, the better.
Political Correctness has now "evolved" into Political Cowardice.
March 6th, 2006 07:45 PM
March 6th, 2006 07:59 PM
For me , it would depend on the Actual situation.
But , even though there might be legal consequences , I could
not let an innocent come to harm if I felt I could prevent it.
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March 6th, 2006 08:01 PM
I would like to say not stand idly by, but given the current sew happy clement we live in, I would have to be very, very sure before I pull the trigger. If we did watch out for each other the world would be a better place.
Protecting a family member no hesitation on my part.
If you don't protect your self, who will?
March 6th, 2006 09:28 PM
Just voted number 3. This is honestly a hard call, I would definately want to help but also have all the facts. As Betty said, I would hate to shoot someone only to find that they were the victim and had fought back. Anyone had better know the situation, especially before using deadly force.
March 6th, 2006 09:30 PM
Hello this is my first post and I dont know if this is off topic.
But the question to intervin or not, in not so much about if you are carrying at that time. But rather is you would become involed if you were unarmed.
Though the legal ramifications of carrying are important. I think they are secondary.
I voted #2
Sorry for the crude post
March 6th, 2006 11:16 PM
I've done #2, been convicted for #2, will do #2 again.
Driver carries less than $45 worth of remorse.
March 6th, 2006 11:32 PM
And that's why when I am king, rfurtkamp will be president. He carries less than $45 worth of remorse.
March 6th, 2006 11:39 PM
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March 6th, 2006 11:40 PM
I'm no LEO nor coward, but I am a dad and employer who's depended on.
As such I'll do what's situationally required, no less and no more.
"Killers who are not deterred by laws against murder are not going to be deterred by laws against guns. " - Robert A. Levy
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March 7th, 2006 12:20 AM
There's not much difference between #2 and #3, but enough to discriminate as to getting involved or not. I'll observe the situation (possibly very quickly), and then decide. Domestic arguement? - Probably not. Crazed ex-lover about to stab the other ex? - I'd intervene in some way. Pulling the trigger will be the last resort intervention, as I'm sure it would be for all you, but if the ex-lover won't stop his attack and I'm sure it's lethal, I'd stop it for him.
As the saying goes ... "It depends"
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