Employment discrimination against gun owners?

This is a discussion on Employment discrimination against gun owners? within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by irish Any advice? Welcome to the forum. Plenty of legal advice earlier in the thread. You've obviously learned your lesson about keeping ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by irish View Post
    Any advice?
    Welcome to the forum. Plenty of legal advice earlier in the thread.

    You've obviously learned your lesson about keeping concealed carry a secret. The original discovery of your pistol in the purse is an illustration of the danger of off-body carry. I realize that carrying concealed on the person can be more difficult for females than for males, but you should consider it. If the pistol had been on you when your purse was searched elsewhere, none of this would have occurred. Plus, of course, if you ever really need to use it, the pistol must be within reach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steyrsdad View Post
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    Looks like you finally figured it out. But the [ B ] (without the spaces) is the beginning bold tag and the [ /B ] is the ending bold tag. In other words the tags without the / are the beginning tags and the tags with the / are the ending tags.

    Here's another hint, double click on the word you want tagged and then click on the tag you want. The software will tag it automatically for you.

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    How unrealistic can a guy be?

    Quote Originally Posted by SelfDefense View Post
    What??????

    Are you suggesting that people typically lie when presenting evidence.

    It is a very distorted view of human behavior to believe people will lie ('it is a given') to authorities.
    Another " Good Grief." How unrealistic to post as you have.

    Let's not hijack this thread with an off topic discussion of human nature. O.K. ?

    Mods, O.K.!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    Another " Good Grief." How unrealistic to post as you have.
    Let me get this straight. You make an unsupported rhetorical accusation that people will certainly lie ("it's a given") and are concerned when that unsupported allegation is challenged? And you accuse me of hijacking a thread?

    And now you are trying to say that telling the truth is unrealistic?

    Sheesh!

    It is no surprise that some think Americans are losing their moral compass.

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    SD, can't you stick to the thread topic

    Quote Originally Posted by SelfDefense View Post
    Let me get this straight. You make an unsupported rhetorical accusation that people will certainly lie ("it's a given") and are concerned when that unsupported allegation is challenged? And you accuse me of hijacking a thread?

    And now you are trying to say that telling the truth is unrealistic?

    Sheesh!

    It is no surprise that some think Americans are losing their moral compass.
    Don't you have the intellect to stick to the thread topic?

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    As far as them going through your purse, you absolutely should complain. I doubt that it will be a lawsuit as the company probably did not have someone go through your bag. You must prove that the company had someone go through your bag and not someone acting on their own. However if you broke company policy they have every right to fire you.

    As far as your new employer, well if you are living in an at will state or on a probationary period with your new employer there will probably not be a lawsuit. I don't think you have much of a case as I believe the company has the right to terminate you at their will.

    Good luck. Perhaps next time you will not break company policy in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irish View Post
    I have found this forum to be quite helpful but I've hesitated to join in. I am a woman with a valid VA CCP. I took a series of training classes at a local range and then attended their CCP class, passed the tests and applied for, and received my CCP, last year. I felt it was an accomplishment (so I did tell some people about it) and I discovered how much I like to shoot and how much I appreciate the right to carry my firearm. Here's my big concern: I have had one company that I worked for (going through layoffs at the time) go into my purse without my knowledge or permission and take my gun. The company did not have anything publicly posted restricting gun carry. Since I often worked late (and I had obtained my CCP) I wanted to have my gun with me. I left that company and went to a new one. My previous company informed my new employer that I was "probably in possession of a firearm." I was called in by HR and questioned. I did not have the gun on company premises (as they had it posted properly). I was subsequently terminated.

    I've learned my lesson and I don't breathe a word about my shooting as a hobby or my CCP. How do others handle this? I'm trying not to be bitter or reactionary but I can't help but feel I've been ostracized and punished for owning a gun. Any advice?

    Thank you.
    It appears you still have a legal case if you care to pursue it.

    What is not illegal is legal.

    HR has no right to expose information to another employer about your past so you have a federal case with the Justice Dept. Wage and hour division.

    This has nothing to do with your right under your second amendment rights.

    Your past employer for whatever reason divulged information to another perspective employer implying that you might be a risk.

    This is somewhat Dependant on the size of your company and also the size of the company you interviewed with.

    There is a strong possibility that you HR person may have violated several civil rights laws that have nothing to so with local jurisdiction or ATF.

    I strongly advise you to contact a legal adviser. If you do not have an attorney I will be happy to advise of one you can contact.

    So far, these are your legal rights. Take advantage of them.

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    AT work, there are some of us that all know each other carry, and no one would tell anyone. I was asked "once" if I did..... and I just told them I didn't think whether I fish, hunt, raced cars, or anything else I do when I'm not at work is much of their business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagleks View Post
    AT work, there are some of us that all know each other carry, and no one would tell anyone. I was asked "once" if I did..... and I just told them I didn't think whether I fish, hunt, raced cars, or anything else I do when I'm not at work is much of their business.
    I like your answer. and if asked (again) I will use it.
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    I am new here. I am a female in Louisiana with my CCL. I have an issue that happened to me at work and I'd love an opinion. I am a Registered Nurse working in downtown New Orleans. I was terminated from my job for retaliation over an issue involving a firearm. I found that some of the people in my unit were opposed to guns. Some of them made comments at lunch about how they think that people shouldn't be allowed to have guns. It came up that I had one and so did another guy. People were asking me questions and I politely tried to divert them. I had some words with a supervisor one day because they took our cell phones away on the job. My doctor was trying to call me about my lab results and I asked to keep the phone and she said no. I told her that I felt it was unfair but I put it in my locker. A week later I was in a procedure with a patient and I was called out to go to the supervisor's office immediately. She got me in there and closed the door and told me that someone told her that I said that I was going to bring a gun to work and shoot everyone. Anyone who knows me and my gun safety and responsibility knows that is something I would never do or say in a million years. I was so shocked and stunned that I started crying and of course said that it was false, and that I would never do that. She told me to stop crying and that she was going to "investigate" to find out who made the accusation. There were no witnesses to this discussion and it happened late on a Friday afternoon. I went home and was freaked out all day on Saturday because I was afraid the police would be showing up at my door. The crazy thing is that I am actually trying to become a police officer next year. I called a friend who is the police commander of my district and told her what happened. She suggested that I lock my guns up at her home until it was settled. She also told me to go to the hospital police and make a complaint. I did that first thing on Monday morning. The hospital police told me that they knew NOTHING about this accusation. All of this happened 20 days after that psycho in AZ shot up all those people. The hospital police found it totally inappropriate that they were not notified by someone in my department regarding this. The idea of a possible workplace violence threat is serious-even if it is totally false. It should have been reported to them and they should have been present when she accused me. I went to her boss and complained and she did nothing. The woman's idea of an "investigation" was to spread the accusation among all the staff so that my coworkers were all acting afraid of me and no one would speak to me-hostile work environment. The hospital police suggested that I complain to HR for a hostile work environment and that's what I did. The HR lady was nasty on the phone and told me that "guns have nothing to do with this". All the supervisors and the head nurse refused to address my concerns about what amounts to defamation of character, over this false accusation. I told them that I was prepared to obtain representation to clear my name. At that point I was told that the issue would be dropped because the accusation was heresay and that it was never to be discussed again. They neglected to tell me that I had 7 days to file a grievance over the accusation. The head nurse told me that "we won't be offended if you feel you need to go find another place to work". I already had job apps out for a month prior to this occurence due to unsafe practices in our dept. I filled out more job apps but wasn't getting responses. Two weeks later I was in a procedure with a patient and another RN who was best friends with woman who made the gun accusation. This patient was on a respirator and was acting wild and the MD told me to sedate him better so he could do the procedure. I followed his order and we finished the procedure w/o incident. The next day I am called into the VP's office and told that I was to leave because I was under investigation. This other nurse in the room told her that I gave a sedation drug illegally beyond my scope of practice, which again, was COMPLETELY untrue. I was fired 4 days later. They had the option on this "alleged" offense to give a verbal warning, written warning, counseling, probation, and then termination. They skipped all other minor disciplinary actions and terminated me saying that I violated sedation policy. I asked for a copy of the policy and they refused to give it to me. I also asked for a copy of my SATISFACTORY performance review from the prior month and they refused. They denied me unemployment and have blackballed me with all the hospitals in the city and no one will hire me for a full time position. I have had to appeal the unemployment and the hearing is Tuesday. I have gone months w/o paying many of my bills because I ran out of my money and my credit score is in the toilet, and I am faced with possibly having my truck repossessed and being evicted from my apartment. The temp job that I have requires me to drive an hour each way and I am lucky to get two shifts a week. I can't live like this. I had an interview on Monday and I was sure I was going to get an offer but they checked references. The hospital won't say anything to a reference but refers them to an outside agency that will tell them that I was terminated for cause and that I am ineligible for re-hire. That is the ONLY reason that I could have not gotten the job and I got a rejection letter today. Someone please tell me how an ICU nurse with 10 years of experience and an impeccable reputation with great references be in this position? I can't find anyone who will take this case seriously. This people are ruining my life. They hijacked a career that I worked hard for.

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    I don't know what to tell you, other than you should have gotten a lawyer the day you were fired. If I were you, I would still be looking for ways to obtain representation. That is a sad story, and I hope someone here can give you some solid advice.

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    To the original poster: Most lawyers will do an initial consultation at no charge. Hie thee to an employment lawyer that will do so.

    To stlnola72: See above.

    To both, welcome to the forum.
    Rats!
    It could be worse!
    I suppose

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    The OP posted this in May of 2009 - Thread Closed.

    New member stl2nola72 will need to open a new thread for herself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QKShooter View Post
    The OP posted this in May of 2009 - Thread Closed.

    New member stl2nola72 will need to open a new thread for herself.
    stl2nola72's post and a reply have been copied over to this new thread: Victim of Employer Descrimination of Gun Owners, What to Do?

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