Employment discrimination against gun owners?

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    Employment discrimination against gun owners?

    I have found this forum to be quite helpful but I've hesitated to join in. I am a woman with a valid VA CCP. I took a series of training classes at a local range and then attended their CCP class, passed the tests and applied for, and received my CCP, last year. I felt it was an accomplishment (so I did tell some people about it) and I discovered how much I like to shoot and how much I appreciate the right to carry my firearm. Here's my big concern: I have had one company that I worked for (going through layoffs at the time) go into my purse without my knowledge or permission and take my gun. The company did not have anything publicly posted restricting gun carry. Since I often worked late (and I had obtained my CCP) I wanted to have my gun with me. I left that company and went to a new one. My previous company informed my new employer that I was "probably in possession of a firearm." I was called in by HR and questioned. I did not have the gun on company premises (as they had it posted properly). I was subsequently terminated.

    I've learned my lesson and I don't breathe a word about my shooting as a hobby or my CCP. How do others handle this? I'm trying not to be bitter or reactionary but I can't help but feel I've been ostracized and punished for owning a gun. Any advice?

    Thank you.

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    Speak with a lawyer. See if you have any chance of legal action against the employer.

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    Please keep in mind that carrying a weapon is your business, no one else's. There's an old adage that the best kept secret is between two people only - and when one of them is dead...

    People talk...for every one person you tell, 25 others will hear about it [rough rule of thumb] - and the story that they get will not match the story they were told. Keep it quiet, keep it to yourself, and keep your weapon out of sight...my apologies if I sound like I'm lecturing, because I am not. It's my old habits creeping in...
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    Simple:

    LAWSUIT, LAWSUIT LAWSUIT.......

    i can unequivocally tell you that your former employer had zero business going through your purse, and for darn sure had ABSOLUTELY no business telling your current employer that you might "have a gun".

    Believe me when I tell you that every company I have ever worked for was under very strict guidelines as to what to reveal to other employers regarding their former employees. The company I work for will not even allow people listed on references to speak to businesses inquiring about employees for legal reasons. The only information my company's HR department releases to anyone are dates of employment and a basic job description.

    Please don't let them get away with this, contact an attorney and the NRA immediately.....
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    +1 on lawyer and lawsuit. They went into YOUR PRIVATE PROPERTY w.o permission and unknown to you? they TOOK YOUR PROPERTY and the TERMINATED you despite no wrongdoing? I'm no lawyer, but I'd like to think you can retire early after this goes to court. :(
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    To Irish.. You want to sell your lawsuit to me for $25,000. Today? If what you posted is true. I'd be will to bet that your orginal company and whom ever placed the call to the new company (old HR person?) would settle this suit for $250,000-$500,000 if not more. I would sue both of them. You would win hands down. And be willing to bet the new company that let you go would also be willing to ante up some money to make the lawsuit go away .(provided that you did not violate company policies). I would check with a lawyer or two espically ones that work with the NRA. I bet your case would become one heck of a case for change in the workplace.

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    I want to make the same points that others have made.

    1) First company had no business going through your purse unless you somewhere somehow gave prior permission. Moreover, it is quite possible that whoever actually took the gun from your purse was not legally allowed to even hold it. Maybe a crime was committed by both the act of removing the gun and possessing it? It isn't really all the unusual for security employees to have records of their own.

    I assume they returned the gun, but if not they committed theft and someone is holding a stolen gun. Report that to the police if it is the case.

    2) Your second employer probably can legally fire you for any reason, or no reason, but your first one did something malicious which precipitated the firing. They had to have anticipated the probable effect of contacting the new employer. Given that they knew you were licensed, what could they possibly have expected would happen except maybe a bad outcome for you with the new employer. Even if they meant it as a good gesture to the new employer, they still harmed you.

    You need to speak with an appropriate civil litigator, an attorney who specializes in employment law, with a view to holding the first employer responsible for causing you to lose your second position by doing something they must have known would harm you.

    You might hold a big trump card here if searching your purse and taking the gun (even if it was returned) is at all construable as an illegal act. Was anything else removed or taken too? Anything not returned? Any personal secret in addition to your cc revealed? E.g., would they have seen medicines they shouldn't know about? Might they have passed additional negative info to the new employer?

    If you suspect anything like that, an employment lawyer may be able to squeeze some answers and some compensation from them.

    What dirt bags.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edr9x23super View Post
    Simple:

    LAWSUIT, LAWSUIT LAWSUIT.......

    i can unequivocally tell you that your former employer had zero business going through your purse, and for darn sure had ABSOLUTELY no business telling your current employer that you might "have a gun".

    Believe me when I tell you that every company I have ever worked for was under very strict guidelines as to what to reveal to other employers regarding their former employees. The company I work for will not even allow people listed on references to speak to businesses inquiring about employees for legal reasons. The only information my company's HR department releases to anyone are dates of employment and a basic job description.

    Please don't let them get away with this, contact an attorney and the NRA immediately.....
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    I have owned my own small business and been an employer for quite a few years & couldn't agree more. Your previous employers were WAY out of line. Should be a slam-dunk for your attorney!
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    Lawyer up.

    I hope your former employers were stupid enough to put the reason for termination in writing.
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    Mr. Hopyard gave you some very good, and well written advice, as did others.

    Good luck and you can buy us all a cup of coffee or tea after this is all over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HITCH KING View Post
    To Irish.. You want to sell your lawsuit to me for $25,000. Today? If what you posted is true. I'd be will to bet that your orginal company and whom ever placed the call to the new company (old HR person?) would settle this suit for $250,000-$500,000 if not more. I would sue both of them. You would win hands down. And be willing to bet the new company that let you go would also be willing to ante up some money to make the lawsuit go away .(provided that you did not violate company policies). I would check with a lawyer or two espically ones that work with the NRA. I bet your case would become one heck of a case for change in the workplace.
    Yep, settlement could be a biggie. Future lost wages should most certainly be factored in to the final judgement.
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    I smell a lawsuit coming, maybe two.
    The company I work has a no weapons inside the building policy, but krs 237.106 says they can not say anything about my keeping it in my car on company grounds. So when I get to work I remove my handgun and secure it in lock box installed in my Jeep, when I leave I put my handgun back on. Some of them do not like it, but they know they can not do anything about it.
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    get a lawer. you have won already.

    take the setlment and by your self another gun.
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    Irish...contact "USER" asap!

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    That's just nuts that they went through your purse, and that they told your new job why you were fired, that's a big no no from what I understand. You should talk to a lawyer for sure. Going through your stuff and then firing you is scummy enough, getting you in trouble at your new job is just plain wrong as well. The new place fired you because of what ? Or did they not say ? If you don't mind, could you name these dirt bags for us ?

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