Church Safety - Page 3

Church Safety

This is a discussion on Church Safety within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; in Michigan you can only carry in a house of worship with consent of the governing board, lets just say, those of us that can ...

Page 3 of 4 FirstFirst 1234 LastLast
Results 31 to 45 of 53

Thread: Church Safety

  1. #31
    New Member Array khicks's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    michigan
    Posts
    13
    in Michigan you can only carry in a house of worship with consent of the governing board, lets just say, those of us that can carry at my church, are unhappy that we are not allowed to. i feel that my church is not as safe as it should be. i have try-ed for several years to get this changed and feel like i am beating a dead horse


  2. #32
    New Member Array fair1976's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Texas
    Posts
    3
    I pastor a church in TX and we have an administration team that has developed policies and contingency plans that were approved by our elder board.

    We have a parking lot attendant guarding the grounds at all times. We have two rotating CCW holders with pagers in case anything suspicious happens. It's also comforting to know that four of the six elders are packing. When the Lord said to protect the sheep I'm thinking he meant from more than just spiritual enemies.

  3. #33
    Senior Member Array JohnKelly's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    554
    Add one more to the list:
    Kan. abortion doc killed in church; suspect held - Yahoo! News

    WICHITA, Kan. – Dr. George Tiller, who remained one of the nation's few providers of late-term abortions despite decades of protests and attacks, was shot and killed Sunday in a church where he was serving as an usher.

    The gunman fled, but a 51-year-old suspect was arrested some 170 miles away in suburban Kansas City three hours after the shooting, Wichita Deputy Police Chief Tom Stolz said.

  4. #34
    VIP Member Array Patti's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    The Show Me State
    Posts
    2,672
    Quote Originally Posted by JohnKelly View Post
    With one caveat: The congregation was not targeted. Only Tiller. It was not a random shooting.
    Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. — Winston Churchill

  5. #35
    VIP Member
    Array Saber's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Yuma, Arizona
    Posts
    2,591
    I’m a member of one these faith churches listed, and I carry and I know others who do as well. Fortunately, our church has a high membership of LEO’s so at least it would be a fair fight.
    Regards,
    “Monsters are real and so are ghosts. They live inside of us, and sometimes they win.”
    ~ Stephen King

  6. #36
    Member Array dudester's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    Gator Country
    Posts
    148
    I recently got my CWL and have been carrying in church. I am the Worship Director and nobody knows but the Sr. Pastor. We have discussed the scenario of a shooter in church meaning to do harm and have agreed on an informal setup. We have a few retired LEO's and a bunch of other folks who carry including my wife and I. I feel like we need to organize a little better and have a decent emergency plan but it's a start and I am glad that we are able to carry in church. It does take some getting used to though but the more we talk about it the more I know it is the right thing to do. Praise God for his mercy.

  7. #37
    Distinguished Member Array PastorPack's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Northern California
    Posts
    1,572
    Quote Originally Posted by JohnKelly View Post
    This may not be a random shooting but it is an example of how violence is being brought into the church walls.

    I also have to say that while abortion is FLAT WRONG, so is cold-blooded murder of abortionists.
    God is love (1 John 4:8)

  8. #38
    Distinguished Member Array PastorPack's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Northern California
    Posts
    1,572
    Quote Originally Posted by pax View Post
    PastorPack ~

    Where'd you get that list -- did you compile it yourself or glean it from elsewhere?

    pax
    Pax, I found a large portion of the list somewhere online (forget where...sorry) and have added some items to it. These all hit the major news networks and can be confirmed by a quick google search.
    Last edited by PastorPack; June 1st, 2009 at 01:07 AM. Reason: Wanted to say more.
    God is love (1 John 4:8)

  9. #39
    New Member Array tscarpenter's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Central Coast, CA
    Posts
    14
    Shoot, my pastor gives me to look each Sunday. He likes to know where I'm at, so he can get out of my line of fire, just in case...

    We're a very gun-friendly church. Unfortunately, we're in Kalifornia. So, only the LEO's are gonna be armed, and right now, that's only me.

  10. #40
    Member Array narcberry's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    WA
    Posts
    64
    I carry to church, but I'd be very reluctant to draw my weapon. Hundreds of folks, most of them children, in a closed space very close to where the BG would be standing. It's a scary situation that could use fewer rounds flying through the air.
    Crime should be outlawed.

  11. #41
    VIP Member Array Majorlk's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Naugatuck, CT
    Posts
    2,406
    Quote Originally Posted by narcberry View Post
    I carry to church, but I'd be very reluctant to draw my weapon. Hundreds of folks, most of them children, in a closed space very close to where the BG would be standing. It's a scary situation that could use fewer rounds flying through the air.
    So you would be willing to let the BG shoot up the place, potentially killing or injuring your fellow worshipers, without doing anything to stop him?

    Then WHY are you carrying in church?

  12. #42
    Member Array narcberry's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    WA
    Posts
    64
    If I'm near to him, I would stop him. If I'm 100 feet away and he's blasting away at everyone, I'm not going to add to the deathtoll. I'd like to think I could close the gap and stop him before his rampage is over, but I'd probably be focused on ushering my wife and kids to a safer location.

    Not sure why I'm being treated as the criminal.
    Crime should be outlawed.

  13. #43
    VIP Member Array JerryM's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Posts
    2,019
    Quote Originally Posted by narcberry View Post
    If I'm near to him, I would stop him. If I'm 100 feet away and he's blasting away at everyone, I'm not going to add to the deathtoll. I'd like to think I could close the gap and stop him before his rampage is over, but I'd probably be focused on ushering my wife and kids to a safer location.

    Not sure why I'm being treated as the criminal.
    I agree. When people are in a state of panic and running around there is a very small chance that you would get a shot. If more are killed it is not going to be by me.
    The best think is not to let the BG inside, but it may not be possible.

    Very few people have the markmanship ability to be accurate in such a situation, and in a crowded church would likely do more harm than good. One will not be shooting at a stationary target at the range, but a moving target in the midst of a panic. It would be better if some men and women took the guy down, and they could if they would.

    I sometime help teach a CHL course. There are very few that come through that I would trust to shoot inside the church.

    Any plan needs to take this into account. Most CHL holders are probably not nearly as good as they think.

    Best,
    Jerry

  14. #44
    VIP Member Array JerryM's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Posts
    2,019
    Quote Originally Posted by Majorlk View Post
    So you would be willing to let the BG shoot up the place, potentially killing or injuring your fellow worshipers, without doing anything to stop him?

    Then WHY are you carrying in church?
    There may be other situations where it is not necessary to shoot in the auditorium.

    Assuming the BG was in the auditorium and began shooting, people running and trying to get away, would you shoot without regard to whomever you might hit?

    I would not.

    In fact I would not want just any CHL holder shooting in my church, and would consider restricting carrying until there had been some instruction and satisfying myself that we do not have some "Knights in shining armor" just waiting to save the day and in the process killing or injuring more members than the BG would.

    Regards,
    Jerry

  15. #45
    Ex Member Array United93's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Maine
    Posts
    911
    Quote Originally Posted by Majorlk View Post
    So you would be willing to let the BG shoot up the place, potentially killing or injuring your fellow worshipers, without doing anything to stop him?

    Then WHY are you carrying in church?
    Excellent point.

Page 3 of 4 FirstFirst 1234 LastLast

Links

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Similar Threads

  1. Joined my Church's "Safety & Security" team this week...........very impressed.
    By carryon in forum Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions
    Replies: 59
    Last Post: October 2nd, 2012, 11:11 PM
  2. Montana - Public Safety v. Private Safety
    By DOGOFWAR01 in forum The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: March 15th, 2009, 04:34 PM
  3. Chief of Police response to safety concerns at church
    By miklcolt45 in forum Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions
    Replies: 37
    Last Post: December 21st, 2007, 09:55 PM
  4. S&W 1911 grip safety/FP safety problems?
    By sheepdog in forum Defensive Carry Guns
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: December 8th, 2007, 12:24 PM
  5. Carry in Church-again? - Missouri Church Shooting
    By miklcolt45 in forum Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions
    Replies: 54
    Last Post: August 21st, 2007, 05:37 PM

Search tags for this page

alozie onuoha robbery
,
can i conceal carry in church in washington
,

christiansecuritynetwork-dot-org

,
concealed carry and church safety
,
concealed carry course near hopkinsville,ky
,
lloyd jeffress conception appy
,
michigan law concealed carry house of worship
,
powered by mybb deaf help in legal minnesota people
,
powered by mybb two deaf in the hospital phoenix,arizona
,

ugo onuoha dc

,

ugo onuoha robbery

,

what did alozie onuoha and ugochukwu onuoha committed in u s a

Click on a term to search for related topics.