Outta Shape Much?

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    Outta Shape Much?

    I was waiting outside of Sears getting an oil change on my company vehicle on a Tuesday afternoon when suddenly this black gentlemen ran past me. I sat there for a moment when two security guards that worked at the mall the sears was in ran past me as well. Then a women in High Heels ran past as well. Me being the somewhat concerned citizen got up and ran to see what the comotion was all about. As i was running i noticed that the two security guards were roughly 300 plus pounds, as i passed them they shouted " Stop that guy", so i finally made it to the black man (Which felt like forever) and jumped on his back as he fell to the ground i smacked my knee and scuffed my shoulder. I then put my knee into the small of his back and pulled his arms behind him. When the two security guards and the women that ended up being HR reached to where i was i handed him over to them and they simply said "Thanks". At that point i was pretty outta breathe i walked inside with the security guards and the HR manager and was approached by an undercover police officer. The police officer said to me that no one else would have done that for them. I simply said i felt like i had to.

    I just don't understand why half of the police or security has to be so outta shape? You would think that they might encounter a scenario one day that they might have to run. Oh well i did my part anyway.

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    I have had to run down criminals aswell. Its not just the running, its also the obsiticals you encounter! I keep myself in shape (mostly for my good looks ) and just dont understand how someone, espically in law enforcement, can let themselves go.

    Good job by the way!

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    I'm assuming you're a cop? Are you obligated to get involved with something like when off-duty?

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    Did you get your CCW badge in the mail yet?

    Here is a story about a CCWer who is not out of shape...

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    Hello All.



    I am new to this forum; however I am not new to carrying. I have been carrying for awhile now. I have lived my entire life by the traditional Republican values (yes I said I am a Republican and damn proud of it!), the Boy Scout Motto of Be Prepared, and the motto Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.



    I carry six guns. All of them are Glocks in .40 S&@ caliber with Night Sights and are bone stock except for some wolf springs. I carry 2 Glock 22s on my right and left hips in C-Tacs, 2 Glock 23's in my Alessi Bodyguard shoulder holster, 1 Glock 27 on my left ankle, and another Glock 27 in my right hand pocket. I also carry some folding knives. I carry 2 Chris Reeves folding knives, both of them are Sebenzas. I carry the small one in the left hand pocket of my 5.11 Tactical pants. I carry the larger one in the "mag" pocket on the right hand side with a Glock 22 magazine. I carry another 4 Glock 22 magazines behind the guns on my hips. I carry an extra magazine on a mag pouch on my right hip. I also carry a surefire E2E flashlight clipped onto my left hand pocket. You never know when you will need a light. I am going to be carrying 2 pairs of hand cuffs when I decide on a decent manufacturer and holster (suggestions are wanted). For my commo gear (I wasn't in the military but I adopted some of it into my everyday lingo through many CCW courses) I use a Nextel I560 phone in black (don't want to get the yellow one and give my reflection away in case some BG seems me in an alley) and I have a Pager with Skytel service. I also have a Zippo lighter in case I need to make a torch or something if stuck in a Hurricane Katrina situation. I also carry some OC spray (Fox labs if you're wondering)



    I just wanted to share some of my experiences. I have been carrying a long time. I remember when I got my first permit. I felt ecstatic. It was an awesome responsibility I was ready to deal with. Not to mention I had been trained for it. I took an intensive CCW class that was several hours in length and have taken a few classes since then. I was like a Police Officer on his first shift. I was so happy that I had been granted the right to carry because there needs to be many more CCWers to help bring crime rates down. It is a heavy burden that we as Sheepdogs have to bear to protect the sheeple.



    On my first day CCWing I went on patrol and walked around the entire neighborhood watching things with my hyper sense of awareness. Nobody but other CCWers understands what I am talking about. I walked through the neighborhood and I saw the illegal immigrants sitting on the stoop watching me with a keen eye. I suspect that they were intimidated by my presence (I am 6'1 and 325 lbs) with a 50 inch waist. I don't understand Spanish but they must have been talking about me.



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    I continued walking and I saw some gangbangers. There were 4 urban youth (read black kids playing basketball with jerseys listening to crap music… err I mean rap music) who were probably carrying illegally. They were talking on someone's porch. They looked at me and started talking amongst themselves. One of them called me biggie (some sort of respect thing?) and I kept walking.



    As I got further into town I realized I needed to recharge my batteries with some food. I got myself a burrito at the local store. It was being worked by illegal's (they are everywhere aren't they?) but they make some damn good burritos and nachos. I got a huge super burrito (the kind that are football size) and some nachos with extra cheese and jalapenos. A large soda would wash that down nicely. I brought my food to the table and then got up to fill my soda (it was a self serve soda fountain) when some illegal immigrant gangbanger drug dealers walked in. One of them looked at me and I knew I was in for some trouble. They were probably packing guns. Gangbangers always pack lorcins and hi-points and not quality tactical gear. I made eye contact to let them know that I am hyper aware and that they will not be getting past me should something go down. Those stupid illegal immigrant gangbangers would regret messing with me.



    Sure enough they called me a racist name. (Only white people can be racist, stupid racist illegal loving liberals!). I ignored it because I never start trouble when I am CCWing. I just waited in line for the soda machine when one of them pushed me. He wasn't strong enough to push my 345 lb frame. I told him not to touch me and took a defensive posture. I read about it on some tactical forums. Its one Navy SEALs use when going into close quarters combat. (I am not a SEAL or a veteran but I train just as hard with my CCW.) My CCW instructor approved of it and I told the illegal scumbag gangbanger that I would use force to defend myself and my family (who were not there, they don't patrol the neighborhood with me) if he should continue his attack.



    They laughed and pushed me again. I pushed back. I threw my weight into it and pushed him into some tables. His other stupid Mexican illegal immigrant friend started saying something in Spanish and he put his hand into his pocket. I reached for the Glock 22 on my right hip and drew. The illegal immigrant took his hand out of his pocket and I told him to get down on the ground. Then I told his buddies to do the same thing. I then proceeded to handcuff the one who pushed me and the bigger of the other two. I then put on some Hatch Cooltac gloves and searched them. All of the employees in the store and the customers started clapping and cheering for me.



    Bu not one to neglect my civic duty I had to keep a close eye and my Glock on the other one until my backup arrived. The responding officers came in with their guns drawn and ready to do some wet work. I laughed as once they saw me they put their guns away and I holstered mine. They proceeded to laugh once they saw I had the situation under complete control. They asked my advice on guns and we talked. I told them how I considered law enforcement at one point but I felt the job wasn't my forte. They didn't cuff me or anything and just took a statement. One of them even offered to buy me lunch and I got the number of one of the female officers who responded to the man with a gun call. When will the liberal anti-gunners learn that people like me are able to handle ourselves and act as sheepdogs for them (the sheeple)? Anyway we are going to the range and I am going to show her how to shoot. She also expressed getting her CCW permit. Luckily I have a lot of training and know a lot of people so she will probably taking a class where she will learn to think tactically.



    After about 10 minutes of questioning from the cops I was ready to hit the streets again. I continued to walk down the street and check the neighborhood out. I decided that I should probably check the local Dunkin Donuts / Baskin Robbins out. I wanted to stop and rest my tired feet but as a civic minded CCWer I would not shirk my god given responsibilities to protect the neighborhood. I went in and got myself an extra large Peanut Butter and Chocolate malt. As I waited for the raghead to make my malt I noticed one of the officers I saw at the burrito shop. He nodded at me and I sat down at the table next to him. He told me what a good job I did and how much he loved responsible CCWers. I told him that it was just the training from my CCW classes. The whole "You default to your level of training" thing. He was very impressed and said I would make a fine tac-officer (SWAT for all you non-LEO types). Then he offered to pay for my malt as the raghead guy who worked there called out my order.



    That was just one of my many forays into the streets. What made it unique was that it was my first day CCWing. Since then I have become an old hand when it comes to CCWing. I just wanted to share what my first day was like.



    Welcome to the wonderful world of CCW. Take the responsibility seriously. You are someone special who has been entrusted by your state to act as a responsible citizen should the emergency arise.
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    I, as Joe Citizen, would of watched them go by and then went inside where if the person being chased were to turn around and pull a gun I would be behind some brick walls. I would have called local pd dispatcher and described what i saw. Then would have went inside and seen how much a new blade is for my Craftsman mower...oops, that's just me.

    I won't comment on your actions only on your query. I can't and won't believe that "half" of the police and security forces are out of shape. I'm sure there are some and much more security than police are out of shape.

    If the security company is willing to accept out of shape people then that's their choice. (I don't know if that's discrimination but maybe a physical they have to pass?) If the stores using that security company don't complain when the guards they have couldn't chase down an old lady with a walker then they are part of the problem.

    Those guards are probably there to keep skateboarders and the "riff raff" out of the parking lots and out of the stores, not to catch BG's.
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    Is that guy from the blog for real? Unless he's an on duty LEO, it sounds like he's going out looking for trouble. I went to his blog and it really seems like he just walks around and looks for a reason to pull out his pistol. I like how his weight changes over the night. First he says he's 325, later it's 345.
    Back to the topic, good for you for being in shape. I'm trying to keep in good shape for sports and once I become an officer. Even though I'm a big, heavy guy I can still easily meet all the requirements of the local PD and DEA. It's just a matter of time until I'm out of college.

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    Adam, I see that you're not LEO yet. Just me, but I don't think you should've jumped into this fray. You had no idea what the situation was, why they were chasing him, who he was or whether he was armed. IF he was armed and decided to turn and shoot you as you gave chase, you had no cover and likely no chance to stop from a full sprint and draw your weapon if you were carrying.

    Better to get a good description, try to see where he's going, and call the cops if you're so inclined. I'm glad it turned out okay, but I'd hate to see you get seriously injured or worse going after a dude who just shoplifted a $16.99 shirt. Such a mishap would keep you out of the Academy, no? And for no.good.reason.

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    Good thing you didn't break a leg or something doing all that. You don't think the mall's insurance would cover your medical expenses do you? What if you jumped on this dude's back to tackle him and got stuck with an HIV infected needle sticking in his back pocket? I know it's rather hard to run all that stuff through your head in the heat of the moment and all, and I really don't know about the mall's liability issues as far as a guard issuing a command for someone to stop anyone else. As far as security guards and being out of shape....I figure they are just a small fraction of the percentage of all Americans whom are out of shape. It also goes to show how employers fill job positions without really looking at the specific abilities of the applicants for the specific job and it's requirements. I guess they need to hire some people simply because it might be illegal not to. It's sort of sad in a way, but I'm used to seeing things like this now, and realizing exactly why this country is in the predicament it's in and been going downhill for quite a while now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jfl View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigD7 View Post
    Is that guy from the blog for real? Unless he's an on duty LEO, it sounds like he's going out looking for trouble. I went to his blog and it really seems like he just walks around and looks for a reason to pull out his pistol. I like how his weight changes over the night. First he says he's 325, later it's 345.
    Back to the topic, good for you for being in shape. I'm trying to keep in good shape for sports and once I become an officer. Even though I'm a big, heavy guy I can still easily meet all the requirements of the local PD and DEA. It's just a matter of time until I'm out of college.
    I took a look at the blog....it's obviously someone having a little fun...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rotorblade View Post
    I took a look at the blog....it's obviously someone having a little fun...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rotorblade View Post
    I took a look at the blog....it's obviously someone having a little fun...
    Thank goodness. I was getting a little bit angry.

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    By not knowing the situation beforehand, if this were a bad call by the mall security (ie was not a crime or was not enough to prosecute) the good samaritan is open to false improsenment or armed kidnapping depending on the state. I am all for getting involved when you know what is happening (rape, attempted murder, forcebile felony) but do you trust your future to the judgement of Paul Blart Mall Cop. Someone yelling "STOP HIM" is not good enough, "STOP HIM HE RAPED SOMEONE." maybe but I need a reason to believe a forcebile felony has occurred not just a guy yelling stop. Especially when I am armed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfl View Post
    I didn't know Gecko45 had a brother
    thats what i was thinking..
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